Hello, everyone! We're on ToTheMoon channel with technological, uh, news from the world and the Silicon Valley. What a huge number of people are afraid of getting their correspondence. From around the world, people of different absolute nature: bloggers, politicians, stars, half-known people, bandits. How they fear now! We have to understand that there's nothing protected. But on the other hand, when this particular situation is happening, when Pavel Durov, the owner of Telegram, was imprisoned and everybody thinks, and suddenly all the data are recorded in fact and everything is not so much. I was encrypted, and there's access to everything. And now the Eurosomus and the US are gonna open this data. Let's see what happens. Well, I wanted to discuss, uh, taxi, robotaxy. We'll talk about Pavel Durov and the Messengers.
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And I just remembered by making coffee before the film, like in 2004 my boss and owner of the company, the French Soft Company Michelle Bilkosem installed Skype on the computer and called me Alexandre. Wolfek. Alexander on French maner, Alexandre. And I still have a name for that account because he personally registered a scout. What was that? Then there was an ICQ, and we had to do videos, there, France, the US, there, Taiwan, well, different countries. And he must have put me in. And how much it seemed like someone was just a fantastic innovation. I've had my grandmother, she's been dead, ninety-three years ago, and I've always said that she's been living in an incredible, good time when she saw her every day. I'm sorry, grandchildren, yes. Given that I have four children, my sister has a child, she has seen her grandchildren all the time, no matter what cities they were in the world. She was like traveling with us. Messengers brought different stories together, and I'll give you some opinions after. Who thinks and says-- just... I don't want to start. Who thinks from the point of view of what's going on with Telegram?
And Telegram will continue the work that is under way, especially since the morning, the French President, France and France, and the French police have released data that the boys are serious, and we are. We waited and the man broke the law. Who thinks it's going to happen to the Massangers now?
Actually, it's very interesting from the point of view of Telegram, yes. Again, I'm just saying my favorite phrase is that we have some different news on the bench that we have, well, in reserve, but we don't always talk about it. Well, the news was, the Telegram was only in the team with thirty developers, but it was under the sauce that, well, it didn't make them, it's not enough, it might be good. The engineering culture may be built with safety, with a clear and so on. But not the point. The point is, very few people make such a popular massager. And Dorov is probably very and very active in itself, uh, and in decision-making, and possibly in some kind of product-based activity, for the development of Telegram. And it's not just some media person who's now in France, but it's likely a very active member of this company, yes, who makes many decisions and where many things are more likely to be, Everything is tied, as I see, at least. And for further development, I think this story will definitely affect, especially if it's not for a day or two in France, but it's a long time to stay there.
I have more questions, more questions than answers. First, I think it's very indicative that this interview was Takeru and all the related atmosphere, that's the modern art that kind of has spoken for Dorov, which is all very much. We've been actively discussing it. The second question is why did he come to France? Because there are a number of countries that he hasn't been in a long time. I mean, I don't know. I have a lot of questions and no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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I mean, don't know what it is for me, that is, he got French citizenship, right? And as far as I understand, French citizenship is so sex-- it's not easy to get. I mean, it's definitely not for nomads, it's not a gold visa, it's a totally different story. And usually, as far as I understand, it requires a certain degree of contact. And it certainly looks like the court's decision was not taken in a closed place. So he knew where he was, where he was going, why would he go? That's all I don't understand.
Well, there's a fundamental question that we can find there for a long time, of course, when he knew he didn't know.
Given that there are very different information on the Internet. Someone says he knew he was a character of a neg grata, someone didn't know the character was a scream. How do you know that, it's gonna be a little hard. And maybe he had a meeting at the state level at all, yeah. And-and maybe it's his plan, or maybe not his plan. Because it's really weird that he first appeared in an interview and he wasn't there, right? And then he decided to go to France. Aaah, in different situations around the world, which are also the same as conflicts. I'm more concerned with history, reading different voices from different people, given that a great number of people are speaking in America, aaaa, the Russian government, speaking in defence, another. I am speaking. That's what Snowden said. So there are a lot of people who speak for protection. I always put a full picture of myself in this story.
I mean, there are social networks, social media, and, uh, rules for the dissemination of information that the social network itself has invented. There is a law in a particular country and there are absolute laws in a particular country from the application of social networks. And I will recall that there are absolutely blocks around the world for various projects. And sometimes it's very strange, yes, I still don't understand why LinkedIn is blocked in Russia and Google is not blocked, for example, right? So you're looking at it and you think it's like that? They've completely blocked it? No, no. I mean, there are things that look like-- someone must have made some kind of decision sometime, and that's the decision that's decided to leave. That's about it, yeah. Without a full picture and a full range of things. There are these rules in every country. And, accordingly, everyone says, freedom of speech is screaming, said freedom of speech must be. And that means the Telegram was for freedom of speech. However, these people add that, well, freedom of speech is clear that, until things get to some zone, the law must be enforced. And this is the zone, it's very unrealistic, it's very distracted. And if you look at the speeches, there are major investors, like social media, and I've seen it, there's a Miller saying, Yuri Miller, about Facebook. He said that, yes, Facebook sometimes wanted to withstand certain demands, but he was not given the requirements by countries. And you, as a social network, should come up with some rules, propose these rules at the state level. Next, the state means someone likes something, doesn't like it, they start, so they do something. Well, as we discussed in the past, the European Union said that we should celebrate artificial intelligence. And why do you need to make a note of the artificial intelligence in social media, and if I use a tutor or some other book or some soft-looking sympathetic sympathetic. What's the logic? It feels like an artificial intelligence from Mars came to us. And it is not a computer program for some or some algorithms. And I think that's the zone of some kind of border that's not necessarily clear who's walking around, who's not. I mean, if they do, then the world says now that Zuckerberg wouldn't have touched. The mask said, "The Cookerberg wouldn't have touched anywhere 'cause he's working with Governments." All the media write, so the Zuckerberg, so the FBI's gonna solve the data. The mask says, "The next one is X." Yeah, I imagine that Mask is coming to France and he's getting eaten. Well, that sounds very strange. And in fact, this is the line of cooperation, because X also cooperates with the State. One hundred per cent at a certain level cooperates with the State and 100 per cent discloses information at a certain level. I have, for example, a question of the security of the massengers, and many of you know it.
I always asked him why the automatic chat in Telegram doesn't encrypt, and the secret chat is encrypted?
And secret chat is encrypted. In whatsApp, like, all chatting is encrypted. At the same time, there's some sort of archive that can be re-established. Now people write that Telegram also has some sort of archive that can be re-established. So, there's a archive that can be restored or cannot be restored, without the user or the ordinary citizens and ordinary people who use the masseurs, they actually live in the subject. Some pyara, and they don't know what's going on. At least I'm talking to everyone, nobody understands what's going on and what, like, what, when you write, it keeps information, it doesn't keep. There's email, everyone's talking about emails, but apparently, uh, at different requests in different countries, email information can be open and disseminated, yes. These, these, these, these, these, they seem very big, endless. And it's always a good place to deal with the complex. First, it's gonna be great if people are just easier to find out what kind of information they're really personalized, nobody's ever revealed, nowhere to do anything with her, you know, But to take a picture, on the other side. And what information is still available on the Internet. I mean, this would be interesting to know, right? What if whatsApp had noticed or SMS iMessage had noticed the information that was stored. By the way, to the news. I started Apple's satellites yesterday from the South Park forest and sent a massage message to my daughter through the regular SMS message. She got a message, she sent me a message back. And I also split the location to find Me, so Apple satellites started working.
At least in demo-res-- I've already had a demo-recury, yes, on the old platform.
You know, it seems interesting that this interview is where I go back to him with Tucker again, he was positioned as such a hero, even hypertrophicated a little, because he said, "I refused to do it." "to cooperate with this government, I refused to cooperate with it." And it feels like was like training, that it was, like, the first act to this next act. Because, uh, the nature of the charges against him, that's, if you read, it's the proliferation of weapons, terrorism, human trafficking, drug--- drugs, and so on. I mean, well, it's not like ten years, I guess, even jails. Well, that's a very two-pronged situation, no grey, it's so black-white.
He's either a hero or something.
You're talking about Tucker. I've always been embarrassed by the information that Telegram was blocked at some point in Russia and fought with him, and made him such a supermarket commercial of a perfectly safe, inaccessible means, even though it's not available. The scouts are coming up. That's Tanya's, like, last week, a T.T. scan, right?
Yeah.
And as far as I know, they're hacking into a lot of scouts, disseminating information, collecting money, stealing money through it, yeah, through the distribution, through the canal. I hear a lot of that in Telegram. In the Telegram, much more-- much more than whatsApp, for example, I'd hear that in-- or in Viber, yes, or in Viber, what they do, and here in Telegram, it's permanent--
Yeah.
But Instagram Massenger.
All the time. Yeah, well, I hear it all the time, which means I do. He was blocked, so he was all fought. Then at some point, the government couldn't fight him in Russia, and then, then, they all boroly-- then stopped fighting, and then just a sharp Telegram opened up and stopped fighting him. And they didn't write it, so what happened? They finally decided not to fight him because he really didn't. We've decided to help the world. Or did he start disseminating information? Or when the programmers, the Telegram team wrote, so we're gonna end up with all the EU laws, so if you're holding all the EU laws, you're all spreading it because the EU is a pipe, there's a tube. You can't pick a peak at all... where I think there's no way to pick up information, there's, like, a closed-circuit, on the other hand, everything is totally, well, it's very strict, yeah, yeah, on the one hand, storage, servers, all over. And by the way, Telegram Turkey, a few weeks ago, I thought, closed or three weeks ago, Telegram, blocked four or five days a day for failure to spread, close some groups. They locked them right, then they opened them. So that's when they opened them, what happened? However, data have spread. And if the data are spread, the same Telegram spreads the data. In the end, it's nothing different from whatsApp, which is supposed to spread the intelligence--- it's supposed to be, yeah, one window. Well, whatsApp is clearly one window that can only be distributed to the U.S. government. He's not gonna be able to spread them to the Iranian government, I don't know, or to the Chinese government or to the French there or anyone else.
And people didn't really know their basic chat was not classified.
From a technological point of view, Sasha, is that what you think, in terms of technology, is going to happen to the project itself? If Durov, I think this story is serious, and it's a long story, it's a story, not for two weeks, not three, but only if the American government decides, uh, for some reason, I don't know what kind of story I'm saying, uh, well, I'm guessing they could probably push. What are the teams doing in this mode? I think it's a very difficult part.
Yeah. I mean, I heard that there's not a Doura in there that's a daily micromanager, where the picks moved and who, what the developer does. I heard he's not so involved in this, I think the demand for a-l Signal Messengers will increase. I think Durov's got a full--- I think, like, a little bit of a full-fledged cipher in Telegram, especially for the bands, if I'm not mistaken, we need to re-examine this now.
There was no group.
I-
For the groups, I understand, there was no one.
But they have a strong netw-network effect. I mean, I think it's different from, uh, I think their type of encryption is different from what Apple, Signal, and even Meta does. So, uh, what they found, what they built, and, uh, brand, that whatsApp sucks is that everything is transferred to the government, I think it's more like a pyre. I think it's actually like some kind of technical, some kind of landscape that's so big that's not gonna affect, honestly. I mean, I doubt that Telegram will operate differently in the end. I mean, I guess it's just that nothing changes, to be honest. I mean, I think Telegram will continue to work as he worked, and he can be banged in some countries. That's probably it.
I mean, I feel like something's not gonna happen.
There's gonna be new owners, right? If it's probably a long time, it's probably...
I think it's just something, I think, about-- I think that Telegram might exist more, not that there's a lot of peddets coming out, right? I mean, there's like Ton. Ton, Ton can get hurt. I mean, Ton, well, since this is a crypt, there's a need to develop, you know, hip, and there's a--that's ten-- they're on the cryp-- capitalization, Ton. I think Ton is in a big blow, frankly. And Telegram is on its own, I don't think. I think the model-- that their high-strike advertising platform is also because a new product that doesn't have a product of market phyta, I think it's as strong as Ton., Telegram, I think has a very strong product market phyt. They have this kind of model they're not gonna be reviewing.
I think the majority of people don't even know what happened. And, to be honest, purple. And I think that ninety-five percent of Telegram users, they might actually have ninety-nine, maybe even though they care what happened to some maker, right? They're the last name-- in most countries around the world they don't know his name, they know, you know what? Let's call it Viber's creator fast, shall we? Call a signal creator fast.
Call it a quick instagram.
He didn't do any interviews. It started, there, some kind of yellow press that started showing up some of his wives, children. Well, there's a story that doesn't really understand. His wife is not even aware that he was arrested. There, there, the dentist, and so on. Then these interviews. Well, he's just out of the public field right before.
Yeah. And before that, he had a picture of himself with a naked torment every five years.
In the gym, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was never heard of. And in the last six months, he's been very much about what happened.
We can let him talk about his 100 kids, yes, in Taker's interview. It's a coincidence, but from the point of view, I was talking from a known point of view...
Strange, it's weird.
Well, I'm yeah. From the point of view of the knowledge of ordinary ordinary private users at the level, it is clear that Governments and, uh, strong-speed users are,
Governments and strong owners of social media, massagers, and of course he's a famous person, right? And yet he's even in there for two hundred fifty seats, I think Forbes or two hundred fifty places, uh, billionaires of the world, and he's in. Well, logically, it's a known name on the business, uh, party. But if we talk to the usual users, they don't know who it is. I mean, well, I agree with Sasha that the power of change usually doesn't happen unless they have a protocol, like, to turn something off. Well, I don't know, the software team has a protocol that if Dura's in prison, there, three months or there, they're gonna turn off, like, the system, yeah, or something else. And they might have done it in theory and they're entitled to it, I suppose.
I don't think they have any disclosures they have to, they have to, uh, they can do the ad, finish, finish and turn the system off, right? Maybe not. I'm drowning, I'm totally utopian. Sasha said that one comment was very interesting, I think it's very important that many people, and, uh, who look there to the Moon and, in general, who are in contact with different technologies, can often not notice. He says Telegram is far from, uh, Apple and Meta defense technology, including, right? I think that's what this is, and it's a little pyar that's right in terms of safety. And I think it's very important. I'm not saying again, well, I'm sure Apple has a much better defense technology. Mine, my very opinion. I'm convinced of that, yes. Based on the analysis, tests, case files, stories and everything. It's not like that. Just an uneven number of briefcases. I didn't hear people steal, uh, Apple ID, so that's all the time, so that's Apple ID steals. And it's also very strange, yes, Tanya, when you were stolen by a scout, as it is possible, especially...
Well, Apple ID steal, yeah, Apple ID steal just, you know, super valuable, right? I mean, it's like...
Of course, that's super valuable.
I mean, yeah, I, sorry, I'm just saying that, but I think people just need to sort out a pyre, right? And as a pirate, he might be a pyre-- that's a pyre now, too, is a bluff, really, right? So the pier is the main thing, after all, the pyara meter. Either people say that like they believe, say they know and respond to it. And, by the way, Telegram is a super successful one from this point of view. The actual level of security remains questionable.
And then, of course, this story, why should it not have been in terms of the closure of some groups, not cooperation, we don't know. Look, we don't know what the state had in contact with the structure, what they did, yes, what they closed, what they didn't, what kind of data they disseminated, what they didn't. Because according to the words, Telegram says we're providing data, we're closing groups, right? And this is the line where they're between, which one they're giving them? Some country's getting some, isn't it? What kind of service do they give? From what is happening in the world, yes, judging by what is happening in the world, a great number of Governments and, uh, the world ' s authorities are the ones who are guilty of a group or of a chat now. the country. And it turns out that they're on the Telegram side and they're making a decision, who's guilty and who's not. So we'll agree with that, that's not it.
I mean, it's basically incredibly complicated, I think it's a design.
And I think, and I think, if Sasha answered a question or, or Nara, or who spoke from the point of view of nationality. French nationality is the first. We talked about it with my wife, my polyna, there, my sister. I told them that, guys, French, French nationality is a very specific story. Not enough, he has an OAE nationality, which is also very specific, which is virtually impossible to obtain. How did he get UAE citizenship and what he got him for, huh? Go ahead. How did he get French nationality if he got it?
Not living there, yeah.
And they must be. And then they probably realized that it was a country that had the potential to influence, but it could be their national, and they could work with him as a whole because if he wasn't their citizen, it's a national. It's very hard. You're-- you have to take him to some other country. I didn't hear the OAE speak about "turn," the embassy was written, so we'll get him back. I don't see the sheikhs or who's here, who's in power, so it's a series of things, where's our Paul Durov? And give us a request for him. It is clear that there is some political Haip in terms of the current political situation in the world and that he is Russian. But again, what kind of Russian citizenship he has, if he doesn't go to Russia, he hasn't been there for eight years. It is not enough to say that he will not go there under any circumstances, and he has no connection, no details, and everything. So, leader, you asked a question, and I think he's interested in telling everyone. India is one hundred and four million, Russia is thirty-four million, Indonesia is twenty-seven million, the United States is twenty-six million, Brazil is twenty-one. Call attention, that is, Brazil, the United States, Indonesia and Russia, that's the same thing. Some of the same numbers. That's the twenty-six, thirty-four, that users are about the same number, right? And there's a hundred and four million India, one hundred and four million, and India's not making any speeches, is it? Well, again, maybe they're , but in the world, I haven't seen them in the world media at least. We'll see, and when we're going to get the release, maybe we'll put it in there, so the Indian government's speech, but I didn't hear the Indian Prime Minister's statement about, uh-a-a, but what--- It's like a hundred and four million for India, right? Well, just some chat, it means someone's using it, right?
Because in the States whatsApp are using-
And that's a lot.
In the States, the monthly auditorium of WhatsApp, if I don't remember, we were just talking about this in our ToTheMoon, that Zuckerberg had just been speaking for the first time to a monthly US auditor in WhatsApp. It was 100 million if I'm not wrong, right? I think the number-- Elnar, you don't remember, do you? You have a good memory too.
You said there were about 100 million in the US, yes.
Well, even if you take the EU as a whole, it doesn't matter, I don't think it's the main audience.
Well, the EU's probably gonna be a big deal. The EU must be a crazy-ass.
It's political.
EU eighty, ninety million for the twenty-fourth year.
There you go.
No, that's interesting. It's again, it's an interesting brand in general, even in terms of users. In Russia, 34 million out of 100 million people. I mean, it's very interesting in terms of even the number of users, right? Maybe there's a change in the number, too, probably depending on another year, maybe, yeah, or how that data is uncovered, not solved. Ia, um, well, let's see what happens, what happens next.
I think it would be great if, uh-uh, it would be great if we had at least a massager perspective, an opportunity like people to understand what to do with artificial intelligence, and what about it? The massenger is owned and maintained, and it's just me, and what am I-- just in plain shape, right? Not in the disclosure, it means eight hundred pages in Chinese, and what, uh, really, where it's stored elsewhere. And if it's stored in this other place, how much is it, uh, how much is it encrypted by me? I was telling you in the grads that four, three months ago, I had to re-establish whatsApp on another iPhone, and I lost the password, uh, that is the code of uniqueness, and I couldn't restore it, right? I lost the entire archive of WhatsApp in over ten years of ji-- for de-- for more than ten years. And, well, from now on, I don't know, since he's been registered and all the correspondence, thousands of chat rooms. Iia because I used this encryption system there, yes, a single encryption.
But maybe it's an illusion too.
It's interesting here, there are some parallels to our previous edition. Remember when we talked about the California law, AI related, yes, that's the responsibility of the platform for its users? What do they say now? That Telegram may be misused, and that's why it's Durov's, uh, closed down now, right? We were talking about what? What we have, uh, a company that has made a model, and there are those who use it. And accordingly, if they use this model, they have paid less than 10 million, the head company that developed the basic model is responsible. And it's like there's another company that, with your design, did something bad, did something, but it's the head company. And there's something like that, yeah. At least what's in the area of Telegram
They're charged with, uh, the area of Telegram, that we have a platform. And this is how the misuse of the platform has led to the fact that Duras is now in France. Maybe they'll show up like some of them with GenAI. Uh, what we said was a story that there's a ten million cut, yeah, that's where responsibility moves from one to the other. Maybe something like this will start with other platforms. Some of these will be on the verge of being here is the responsibility of the platform, and it's like there's no liability.
Yeah, it's a very sophisticated, legally, that he's being accused of trafficking in human beings, and so on. Although I understand that Illash is personally not doing anything like this, well, 100 percent.
Well, we never know.
Interesting watching.
Maybe he's been modering some chats himself, we don't know.
Yeah, sell a couple of people out there, yeah.
So, Elnar, I think I've had a very good subject. So if the AI Generation and the responsibility for it are discussed, then, uh, there may also be responsibility. But we all know that then, I think Amazon can be sued for selling some inaccurate product that missed the site. And for all this, the user starts paying for it at the end, yes, any additional projects, product checks, any restrictions. This ultimately limits the lives of ordinary citizens. But maybe we live in a world where there is a point. I sometimes like, I'm free, open, and transparent, and easy, and for all, I sometimes watch and realize that I might need some restrictive measures and a lot of checks because we live in a life of the world. A world where people are not fooled, where people are fighting, cheating, killing each other, selling people and all others. Yeah, it's a world, a world where crime is everywhere. And that's why, of course, uh, many checks, they're right. Well, today, I think a very good subject is about the massengers, and we'll see what happens next and open, uh, the job that's a calm-free understanding of each of us and of us. You're like the data cipher. See you later. I'll see you in a week. Maybe this is gonna be a... graduation on a special day. If anything, we go on Sundays, every Sunday. Technological news from the Silicon Valley.