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Transcript · 066 · The Interview No Longer Tests the Programmer: AI Is Forcing Companies to Look at Real Work — ToTheMoon

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00:00:00–00:01:40To TheMoon graduation today.
Tatyana Tsvetkova00:00:00

Not real. It's real.

Alexander Volchek00:00:03

Here, uh, I think our viewers should vote now. Uh, is Sasha real or not? It was written that Sasha was a design. Here. Why not? The engineers from the Silicon Valley have come up with a good artificial intelligence. Here. Elnar was joking today, we ran out of a signature for a month, and while we were looking for money, we were looking for money--

Alexander Mashrabov00:00:27

We did.

Alexander Volchek00:00:28

They found it, yes. Sa-Sasha's back. Here. There was a whole discussion in the previous roll.

Alexander Mashrabov00:00:34

I need to get the money from the subscribers so Sasha can come back. We're not businessmen at all.

Alexander Volchek00:00:39

Yeah. So, everybody write comments, let's go, the likovs, the liquors to get Sasha back to us. Here. What are you waiting for from Sasha? Someone wrote that I wanted to continue English. Here. So Sasha's missing. So write what you need. Sasha. Sasha's back. Shall we? Hello, everyone! We're on ToDaMon. Technological news, Silicon Valley sites. We go out every Sunday and special Wednesdays. But a serious scamer. The interview is virtually non-existent at this point, but it is almost impossible to check the person.

Alexander Mashrabov00:01:15

I'm having a curious reaction. But the entire Internet and Dolina, the Aythenians, I understand they already know him and they've already made it into all the black lists. Grock yesterday because he gave anti-Semitism, well, fascism. In the run-up to Grok 4. I mean, I'm standing at the peak, right? OpenAI, obviously, can grow up.

Mentions: Grok · Grok 4
Alexander Volchek00:01:36

Here. But soon, the idea is that the clowns will be here.

00:01:40–00:03:20Engineer skamper at 80 starttachs
Alexander Volchek00:01:40

Qualitative, huh? And it's impossible to tell. Many things are not really clear. Here, uh, Lex Friedman put a picture of the Durov in Paris and wrote: a picture is real, maybe not real.

Alexander Mashrabov00:01:53

Mm-hmm.

Alexander Volchek00:01:54

And you're sitting there like real or not? Here. And it's as unexplained as it is. Look, I want to start. So, Sasha came and tells us everything, all the fears...

Alexander Mashrabov00:02:10

Everything that's been accumulated.

Alexander Volchek00:02:11

The Spring Valley engineers and everything that's accumulated. Yeah. So, all X, uh, about Soham Poreh, a well-known engineer, was blown up, so it was a huge number of companies from Y Combinator, YC, five or ten companies were working in parallel. And actually, based on the tweets that are there, there's about every third comment that says he worked for me, he worked for us, he worked for us, he was in the interview, we hired him, and we fired him in a month. We hired him, we fired him in two months. We hired him, he's been in our possession for four months. Here. And, um, someone says it's a whole, whole bunch of people that engineers work. Someone wrote that, so, you can finally get a look at the Indians, Americans. Someone wrote: Y Combinator became a software factory from India. Ah. Sasha, how is the topic of what is in the Valley, uh, the people who engineers work on parallel work? So there's one of the main problems there was what an engineer is hiring, and he works in parallel in a lot of places. Nasco-- well, there's a camera clearly, yes, this man who was, like, a very serious scamer.

00:03:20–00:04:50Are engineers working for 5-10 companies?
Alexander Volchek00:03:20

The audience, by the way, ours, write off, please, have you encountered these? Did you do that yourself? Very interesting. If you did it yourself, I'm curious, too. And what position did you do that? There, someone might have done it on sale, marketing, there, in the project office, and so on. Or where did you get into it? I've been facing a lot of this in my life with other people. So, Sasha, what's the reality of the Valley? Is this tracked or unclear?

Alexander Mashrabov00:03:48

Good question. I think it's part of a bo-more discourse of where the software engineered job, jobs are moving. Because, well, as newgradam, it's very difficult to get software engineering jobs now, yes, globally. And how strange the market is. On the one hand, it's true that some of the good squill softs are... It's like a combination of many factors. First, on the paradise, you know, on the level, on the company level, the level of control of the software engineers in the company is very low, right? Secondly, as the interview process does not exist in AI, there is no interview in the AI era. You just have to invite a man personally and just like it's like it's personal, and it's like he's, uh, answering questions, right? Nobody makes a reference check, because people are just lazy. But it's got to be recognized, right? I mean, people are just lazy because people don't want to do it. I say, the rebuttal process, it's very weak, in fact, in these organizations. He...

00:04:50–00:06:20Labour market problem for developers
Alexander Mashrabov00:04:50

And then there's a problem with, uh, with the whole labour market that the newgradam SVE is very-SVE is software, software engineering. They can't, they're hard to get a job right now. Big companies are less employing newgrados. But, well, ne-ne-new-- well, ju-junior, as a job, obviously, it's starting to automate, uh, in part, places, but sometimes, fuck, I don't even want to talk to a man anymore. It's easier to talk to GPT chat. Well, it's true, it's true. At least GPT's not gonna create a drama, and junior developers are creating drama, right? So it's like a human factor, too. And we're in a situation that, whatever it takes, well, these white collar jobs, of course, there's gonna be a big, uh, perturbation and more and more, I think, human history, that... Well, there's more and more extrimonies we'll see, we'll see more things when people don't do anything, just play games and know how to play. They're just better in communication than GPT chats, right? A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- people, well, people, well, a------------------------------------------------------------------------------ a lots-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, so we'll see more examples of both.

Alexander Volchek00:06:08

Look, you're saying the interesting thing is that I think that's actually the supermost thing I've ever heard, that if a person goes online and gets an online assignment, then interviews.

00:06:20–00:07:35How now you're testing the knowledge of the software
Alexander Volchek00:06:20

At this point, the time is virtually non-existent. Well, it's almost impossible to check a man. Right?

Alexander Mashrabov00:06:28

Impossible, impossible.

Alexander Volchek00:06:30

Or it's not that it's almost completely impossible. I mean, if a man...

Alexander Mashrabov00:06:33

Impossible. So you can't check on the knowledge, can you? So you want to check the knowledge, you call it in person. If you want to check on how he works, but you give, you hire a man for two days of probation, yeah, there, you ask for one day of hospital work and Saturday, two days work, and you're watching him really work. Do it. Well, there are two options. There are no other options now.

Alexander Volchek00:06:52

What are you gonna do in two days to check if it works remotely? But he'll write something remotely in two days, and he won't write with AI again, like, if we're talking. Just, like, marketing--

Alexander Mashrabov00:07:05

That's the question.

Alexander Volchek00:07:06

In the project management, everywhere, there's a way to drink anything with AI in two days and check it out very hard.

Alexander Mashrabov00:07:15

I agree. And it's a big, uh, chance to get this test trial going in a new way. Nobody else did that, but it's a big opportunity, right? So you're giving real purpose, you see, he's making a real challenge to a man or not. With AI, without AI, it doesn't matter what it is. I mean, yes, I mean, there are two options, but in general, it's just

00:07:35–00:10:00Why don't companies want to hire the juniors?
Alexander Mashrabov00:07:35

me that, with time, more and more will be.

Alexander Volchek00:07:37

And, look, you made a reservation about not hiring people with low qualifications. I can't say I wanted to, you know, because I've been in charge for 20 years, I haven't really wanted to hire people with low qualifications, but, but, uh, I'm still, yeah, I'm not, Do it often. And this story, it still comes up with the AI and your, your, uh, internal, I don't know, status, like I don't want to tell people or efficiency or speed much faster on your side. Is that how you see it?

Alexander Mashrabov00:08:16

I think I think I have, Sasha, you're already in charge, you're in a lot more experience, right? But you know better than that. But if we look at the middle statistical manager, yes, the manager of a kind, but not super-talent, like you or Jensen, yes, not the CEO of public companies, not that size, but imagine seniors. I'm in the middle of a IT company. Well, it's like a level above the middle, but it's nothing like a great one, right? Well, what I saw was true that, like a man might be in contact with, maybe in his organization, maybe with twenty people, right? At best, well, the range from 12 to 15 and maybe about 30 colleagues. Well, it's kind of horizontal, right? Maybe thirty partners, thirty clients, but it's a lot less than 50, right? And then, and as many people as they have, I don't think they have super-talant managers, just good managers, but they, like people, just have this cognitive. overhead, which is very difficult to manage a large number of people, to deal with them, who promised to whomever had a relationship. That's hard to keep it in your head. And you often think, "Oh, man, I'm gonna hire a man to do something, yeah, like. Man, maybe I'm some kind of smo-- maybe some kind of restructured, maybe AI might be something, because, fuck, another man, man. Well, man, shorter, like you, like, yeah, I think so. I mean, man, some guy, like, a man, like, a man, maybe easier, so I can get you some client instead, right? I mean, I probably know more from-- how if-- i mean, for me, like, personally, yeah, because I don't have a very high cognitive capability, you know, capacity, I often think, "Oh, man, I'm with that. I'm gonna ask you to work now.

00:10:00–00:12:59Why don't companies want to hire the juniors?
Alexander Mashrabov00:10:00

Now. I'll ask for fidbeck, I'll want an audience every day. Well, whatever other people want, some kind of human contact. I think, man, I can, uh, talk to clients and actually get a better understanding that people like people are gonna take Gen AI video, right? And the trailers, huh? Because I-I've clearly understood that I have some capacity. I don't know, it's a cryptic, no? But it's like real the way I think. Sasha confirmed he wasn't real. He doesn't want to talk to people. I have a capacity, I have a very limited capacity. I give up-- I understand everything, yes, what you mean.

Alexander Volchek00:10:38

Sasha's been talking a lot. It's just, actually, this is the question... I, I just, I just got surprised. Eldar dropped out today, said, "Read the comments on this Indian man, who's on the IC launch. I was surprised that the owners of IT companies are so surprised that there are people who act like this. Because I've been in the middle of business in the last 15 years, I haven't seen it. Any resume, different kinds of construction, anything. So in the offline, in the offline, people are doing super divorce, coming in, creating a huge number of types of projects, doing their rightful psychological, yeah. And that's why it's not easy now, of course, in the current era. And in design, I think it's getting really bad at all. So if, uh, still in the world's top environment, it's going on in the design, what's going on in conventional companies? Because basically checking the programmer in the usual business, you know, you can check it out with the results, so I'll say six months later, I guess. Well, because how are you gonna check it out? Well, you give him the task, well, he'll give you some kind of result. And now the result on the knee will somehow be on his knee. You're not even gonna check it out. He can tell you genius ideas. Sasha, I don't know. I'm here periodically in the Valley, meeting some people. They're so cool with programming and technology, because if you don't, uh... They can tell anything they're space people, what they do. If you can't, I don't have a component of some kind of exact checking it out. The problem is, when a man tells me he's developed some supermachine for, I don't know, trade, there, or for the management of agents, there, or for some equipment, how do you even know that Is that not supermehanism? But he'll tell you that it's supermehanism and everything. Says, "We're gonna get down now."

Alexander Mashrabov00:12:41

It's right here.

Alexander Volchek00:12:43

Now, he says we're gonna get down. Here I am...

Alexander Mashrabov00:12:45

One drop of blood, Sasha, where are you?

Alexander Volchek00:12:48

Here. I mean, these stories where people are, they're, in fact, the owners of the IC of companies, they're themselves, uh, telling the truth.

00:12:59–00:14:35How good engineers do nothing?
Alexander Volchek00:12:59

Well, they hire the programmers who tell the truth.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:13:01

And here, we have to add that, uh, this character we're talking about is qualified. I mean, it's not, it's not, no, not Ugrad, that's what Sasha calls, yes, there, just a grad student or, uh, junior. He worked, wrote the code before. But what's he sining? He sinned what he did to work and didn't do anything. It's built in parallel for five jobs and it doesn't do anything. And it's been so tight for a week, right? They know nothing in a week, they're firing him. Some month, he's been remembered and then fired. It's been two months. Well, I don't think much more, because--

Alexander Mashrabov00:13:35

Yeah, I mean, he's cool, Lyad, you're right.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:13:38

He's cool.

Alexander Mashrabov00:13:38

He's a great programmer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:13:40

He's on the interview, I don't know, either himself or himself, but he can generally support the conversation and be highly qualified, there, impress. Maybe even there, the first two days, if they're clearly watching him and gave him a test, he can take it as part of the interview process and get cleaned up and even do it. But then he's either gonna be forgotten for a while, and he'll get his salary just like that, or he'll be remembered there in a week and kicked out in a week. And that's how it works in five years, he's got eighty companies in his own, there, on the summary. It's quite interesting. He started writing to this man who was so famous for the entire Internet asking for advice, yes, "I'm completely ruining my career? What am I gonna do now? Give me some advice, please." Well, I don't know, some very, uh, curious reaction went, but the entire Internet, at least, Dolina, Athys, I understand that he already knows and has been put on all the

00:14:35–00:15:40News: CEO X Linda Jakarino resigned
Ilnar Shafigullin00:14:35

black lists.

Alexander Mashrabov00:14:36

Yeah, but it's a prank that doesn't know his picture. I want to raise another topic, like a super important one, but it can't be over, right? So CEO X Linda left her post. And I understand that it's--

Alexander Volchek00:14:51

When did this happen?

Alexander Mashrabov00:14:52

Today. Today, a few hours ago.

Alexander Volchek00:14:54

That's interesting.

Alexander Mashrabov00:14:56

Well, because Grok-

Mentions: Grok
Alexander Volchek00:14:57

It's a new...

Alexander Mashrabov00:14:57

Well, the player yesterday, yeah, the player yesterday because he gave anti-Semitism, well, even fascism, it's probably called it. And it's like, uh, it's like a big one, and... Very interesting in the run-up to Grok 4. We're writing before Grok 4, but... It's interesting that it's hard to put against Elon Musk that he's not gonna make it, right? I mean, it's hard to say, "Yeah, Ilon won't be able to do it." But there are no dates yet, that Grok can be competitive. Let's see what Grok 4 is gonna do today. But globally, it's all very sad, because...

Mentions: Grok 4 · Grok
Alexander Volchek00:15:39

A very

Mentions: Grok · Grok 4
00:15:40–00:16:48Why can GROK 4 fail?
Alexander Volchek00:15:40

interesting statement, though, is still Ilona Mask a few weeks ago that Grok became an idiot, and he believes the news too much. He said it himself. And he's sitting there and started working Grok 4. But these two days, well, these very strange statements about the whole thing going on and the news again, yes, Elon Musk has been back on the news that Grok, Grok, is different. responding to the news. That's very strange. Why did she leave? Did she leave or did she get her?

Alexander Mashrabov00:16:13

Well, you know, I left. Usually, in these roles, they always give the opportunity to leave, yes, I mean, to leave.

Alexander Volchek00:16:18

Your opinion? If you can express it.

Alexander Mashrabov00:16:22

My opinion? What's my opinion? My opinion is that we have two companies, and where, where, where, where people go for money. It's OpenAI and Meta. There's one company that's more like a reservoir trick, I guess it's like Anthropic. And there's like a HI with the most talented CEOs, but who don't know what they're doing.

Mentions: Meta
00:16:48–00:20:35How did Meta get the chief of Apple?
Alexander Mashrabov00:16:48

I guess that's the way it is.

Alexander Volchek00:16:50

Look, but Meta created, created, uh, literally 8th July, created Meta Super Intelligence Labs, right? I put Alexander Vanna in there, created new directions. And today, it's news that they've outfitted the main AI man from Apple that Meta outfitted the main AI man from Apple. It was this morning, wasn't it, the subject? I'll tell you. Yeah, yesterday, there was news that they lost from-- to Coopertino, they lost the main man inside. Meta is the continuation of our past video. Who didn't see, write. Who was watching him, by the way? I liked one comment. We had a skate on the past that we were deceived about wages, and he left a complaint against our channel that we're lying. I don't understand. Given that we are merely recounting the real stories that happen in the Silicon Valley, but perhaps just somewhere in the country where this man lives, Meta did not offer him ten or 100 million. - Yeah. - Yeah. So, Sas, this is the situation that happened now, that now, for example, that there's a man in Meta out of Apple, you just haven't been in the past. Can you comment on that story, too? I'm just saying, about Linda, that what you're saying, that she left X is still a question of bet, I think Ilona Mask, understanding the strategy he's taking, and that he wants to do the right thing from X. I'm sure she's qualified to bring X to that place, but this little team, right? Or her personal ambitions, like, to develop something. Because there are people who want to run tens of thousands of people there. Maybe she just wanted to run another volume of people, she doesn't even care.

Alexander Mashrabov00:18:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, yeah. I mean, the situation is quite clear. First about compensation packages, huh? I mean, look, OpenAI, he pays two, three, five, well, two, three million packages a year. And we're talking about some kind of specialist in the wrong place, not like top-top reservers. Well, let's just say, about some level of mine, like I do. I mean, not there, not people who invented Inception or Transformer or something, right? And yet, many came there in the twenty-second, twenty-third year. Right? Twenty-third. In the twenty-second, in the twenty-third, when ChatGPT's already out, it's already very much allowed them to get a lot of talent, right? Because everyone wants to work around ChatGPT. Then the company's evaluation was in the area, well, let's say, well, between 14 and 15 and 30 billion, huh? And that's what people got three million bags, right? Three million a year, two to three million a year. We'll take two, uh, for counting and take an estimate of thirty. It's a three-stop evaluation. I mean, if I multiply two by ten, yeah, two by ten, it's like 20, right? So, like Zach is offering, well, actually, ten million a year. It's kind of true. I mean, not everyone, but--

Alexander Mashrabov00:20:00

It's kind of true. I mean, not everything, but it's going around. Ten million a year, it's like going on and on the left and on the right. It's perfectly normal for them. It doesn't even require Zach's approval. It's like a process of some kind about how to pay ten million a year. Oh, and, and, well, as it is, there are, uh, bags, all right, and more there, and maybe 50, maybe eighty. It's just, like, data points are less about this, so it's hard to check, right? Ten million a year, like a lot of data points, and that's true. I don't know about the fifty-eighty people.

00:20:35–00:22:22Whether Threads active X users
Alexander Mashrabov00:20:35

I'm really having a hard time saying, actually, that's not true. But de-- but there's such rumors. And it's actually, again, it's for Meta stock right now at the peak of its own, here. So they still have VRs losing money, there's nothing in AI. Stock's on the peak, huh? Oh, but by the fact that Threads are really growing up, right? And it goes back to question X that Threads is very well growing now and daily active users like X have already flipped if I'm not mistaken. But we're gonna set a schedule to--

Discussion participant00:21:02

Come on! So Threads, Threads is what Instagram, so that everyone can understand, maybe someone doesn't know, right? He beat the daily active X users?

Alexander Mashrabov00:21:13

Well, they say, yes. They say yes. I'll look for the squeakyshot, but, uh, we'll find the data and put it in to solve, uh, the question. Oh, and- but, let's just say it or it'll be over the end of the year. I just can't remember how the projection was or not projection was. I'm not sure how much it is now, but he's probably gonna overtake it. And it's just a situation, yeah, which, of course, is really saving Zuckerberg. I think the whole Meta is being evaluated. But look, I mean, Meta's on the peak, right? OpenAI, obviously, can grow up, right? OpenAI is obviously growing. And how would he, uh, give that people kind of what people get in the stacks? Those who joined the twenty-second year are getting in the OpenAI, right? I mean, well, it's tens of millions. Yeah. I mean. Well, yeah, and like OpenAI and Meta, it's like a company where people come to make money. And that's good. Well, there's gotta be different options, right? I mean, it's good that there are those options, there are other options. And Ilon is like the most impressive CEO, of course, of all of them, but just so far, it's probably bad that he's got, but he's not really good at the results yet, but I hope they'll figure it out.

Mentions: Meta
00:22:22–00:22:59Meta bought CEO Super Intelligence
Alexander Mashrabov00:22:22

Well, most importantly, another mem is, of course, Daniel Gross, the fact that he was CEO Super-Fench Intelligence and moved to Meta. Oh, I mean, yeah...

Discussion participant00:22:37

Why mem? Why me, explain to people.

Alexander Mashrabov00:22:39

Well, because the company wasn't somo-- couldn't buy, and CEO was able to buy. And I mean, yeah, I mean, we, uh, we really have to be a puzzle of people who like to make money. The same was in two thousand tenths, like Yahoo. Yahoo looked like a winner, there's a lot of people-- yeah, there's a lot of people there through Yahoo. Everyone who wanted to make money.

Mentions: Meta · TikTok
00:22:59–00:24:23Can Meta catch TikTok?
Alexander Mashrabov00:22:59

Yeah? And that's what's gonna happen to Meta right now. I mean, obviously they're already, well, they're already, uh, they're getting really tired of TikTok. I think they'll never catch TikTok again. In principle, it's all TikTok in the stratosphere. So, it's only politically necessary to work, as short as it is politically possible, to preserve the status quo, and Meta can be achieved. They're already back, aren't they? I mean, it's not exactly the tier of the organization, it's not gonna help them anymore. I mean, it was the same thing with Yahoo. I mean, it's a perfectly normal situation. But there are people who want to make money again, and it's good that there are opportunities. That's really cool. But I think that Meta is a yes, it's already tier 2. I don't mean it's bad, it's just tier 2, it's just not tier 1, and it's never gonna be tier 1.

Discussion participant00:23:48

AI.

Alexander Mashrabov00:23:49

ByDance is already there, well, by the end of the day, it's all, some kind of space level. They have a stupid video model, the best in the market. And they're the ones who got her on, and they're on the pulse. When they're rolling, they'll be there fast enough to get the quality. So, there, uh, other level, they already have a AI-decision for--- advertising, Meta's got nothing. So, well, it's possible, of course, Zuckerberg might be trying to buy everyone that can buy, but I don't think that, for now, I don't know, historically, no one has ever had it.

00:24:23–00:27:43Apple buys Perplexity? Can Perplexity stay independent?
Alexander Mashrabov00:24:23

Well, I don't know very well the history of innovation, but I don't think anyone's got any information on me.

Discussion participant00:24:27

Look, this is the situation that's happening now, Sasha, and it's happening with Perplexity, that there was some news that Apple might be buying it. They're out today, yes, or the day before they let the browser out their new one because they've released a signature two hundred dollars expensive, and they've let, uh, their browser be with them. I'm looking at the browser very sceptical because I think the installation of the browser is extra and searching, uh, and actually, the running of different resources is just a little different case than using artificially artificially. Intellect. Maybe I'm wrong, again, right? That's what you call a browser. How far they are now steep and moving forward, and as far as they are likely to have a buyer, not just at some point, they will not be stopped in a limited number of users. They just, well, they're really lagging behind users. If you compare it to Gemini or GPT chat.

Mentions: Perplexity · Apple
Alexander Mashrabov00:25:27

I think that's what everyone needs, and someone's gonna take ten to fifteen billion. There are many companies that have no AI capabilities, like Amazon or Apple. Well, that's where it is, Salesforce. They have no competitive AI capabilities. They need search in one way or another, and they'll take Perplexity. Perplexity is what I said to Perplexity for, uh, assessing what it was that when there were two hundred million, it was something that they grew up so much and they're still growing. This bet, they're-- they're winning.

Discussion participant00:25:59

A win-win?

Alexander Mashrabov00:26:00

Well, that's why they're multi--- of course, so they're car-- they're raising a multiplier of 100, fifty X. Sure. Because Search, you need someone to buy.

Discussion participant00:26:08

Look, what happens if, like, a salesforce bought this company? What's going to happen to her? I don't really understand how they'll develop, how they use, how they'll end up in a race--

Alexander Mashrabov00:26:18

They're usually okay?

Discussion participant00:26:18

In the user-friendly race. What's the problem? The problem is, you know, a man uses Perplexity. At some point, you're in infrastructure, all over, like, I don't know, OpenAI, yeah, from the point of view of your own quality models. You take, migrate with Perplexity and never return to her again in your life. Yeah? If you're sitting in a GPT chat for two hundred dollars or you're sitting in Gemini for two hundred and fifty or what dollars, you're gonna buy Perplexity for two hundred? I don't think so.

Mentions: Perplexity
Alexander Mashrabov00:26:51

I think that, well, as a bunch of companies don't exist in AI as a universe, they just don't exist. And almost all companies need to search. So I wouldn't worry about Perplexity. So the question is, can they build a durable business, differentiate? Well, I guess not. There's no premonition to that. Will they be okay? They'll be fine. Founder will become a billionaire, you know, like, anyway.

Discussion participant00:27:14

No, I'm not getting over the faunder now. He's a tough man and a cool company. There's no question. I am now more of a use, a service like this in two years, a company of existence in two years, as long as they can-- stay in independent leaders.

Alexander Mashrabov00:27:32

I think there's no chance.

Discussion participant00:27:34

That's what you're saying now that they have the right track in terms of corporate start-ups, there's no financing for all the questions.

00:27:43–00:30:25How do the browser integrate the AI agents?
Discussion participant00:27:43

But from the point of view of their being in the game, is it not?

Alexander Mashrabov00:27:46

Mm-hmm.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:27:47

But this news is purely technological, too, there's a funny aspect. They show, what happens if you combine a browser and an agent? Yeah, I mean, it's a condition that you read some article and you can go ask questions about this agent that's around. You don't have to copy this article, move the link, something else. I mean, it's like a way down.

Discussion participant00:28:09

So Google is, Elnar, so Chrome is in the last box that says the same thing. Not much, I'm convinced that all the browsers will have it.

Mentions: Google
Ilnar Shafigullin00:28:22

I'm talking about this, and now we're just showing some kind of thing, and if it turns out that it's really convenient and really necessary, then it's gonna be in the next pdddddid of all the major browsers. But from a technological point of view, Perplexity is the first to show, and how can it be, right? And, in fact, someone can try.

Mentions: Perplexity
Discussion participant00:28:39

Google, Google showed me. Elnar, did Chrome not show?

Mentions: Google

No, look, I don't have a function like this in Chrome, but there's a thing in Perplexity, and a number of lasers can start using it. Maybe somewhere in Chrome is the possibility that you have an agent you can ask, there, I don't know, to get you a restaurant or something. And he's gonna do it sometime without leaving this window or in the next window. But here on the description that was on the news, Perplexity is the one that gets it. There's a lot of information in the article that he's doing some light tasks, and some complex ones he can't solve. I'm looking at it more like a technology demonstration. If it's really comfortable, it's totally cool. Google, Mozilla and all others will find themselves a provider who will, accordingly, meet these challenges.

Mentions: Perplexity · Google
Discussion participant00:29:32

And I think there's even some browsers, maybe we'll put a name on the browsers that have inside a bunch of built-in chips. The question is, as always as comfortable as it is, just, cheap and the quality of all this. Yeah? The quality of this agent is a matter of the whole time. I mean, I go in, like, an O3 and ask for a GPT O3 chat and ask me to analyze something. And he's studying, analysing, analysing, analysing, analysing, analysing, analysing.

Discussion participant00:30:01

Analyses, analyses, analyses, analyses and gives me some kind of answer. Or I just got some information on the website. I think it's just the scenarios that are perfectly simple. Yeah, well, now, a lot of things are uncomfortable, but I don't doubt that, for example, it could just disappear like the notion that a person needs some kind of site, for example, he needs to visit.

00:30:25–00:32:54Future websites: will they be gone forever?
Discussion participant00:30:25

I remember ten years ago, probably ten years ago, maybe more, we in China started a sales trip and there were companies. I have a partner there, one, he says interesting things all the time. And he says, "You should start a site in Russia and put a tranny on it, and we need a page on Alybababa." I mean, the website, the website is useless, totally a story. Or weChat's a little bit of a buzz. I mean, when you made a page there, people come in and buy. And now I see a huge amount of merchandise in Amazon that doesn't have any websites, and you can only look at Amazon cards. So you don't need a website. So the question is, what happens next when the ChatGPT is, I think it's about to turn the commercial on inside and what happens next, how this commercial will work at all, what's inside it. What are the scenarios for use? That's the subject, she, um... The search should change in general. Well, in my internal state, the search should change as such. Why do you want a website? And why do you think of it in such a simple case and a simple way? That's very interesting. What do you think about this?

Discussion participant00:31:44

YouTube video, if it stays, it's like there was a case in the same news. You watch video, and there's a Carpathian video of what's gonna happen to the software engineers, and you can ask questions on the move. Well, there's a lot of different cases. I mean, while there's, say, reasons for using browsers, that's the content you're eating at. Well, I'm not arguing, purely my opinion, but if there's a content that you're gonna need, so you got a browser coming in here, and you got an agent coming in here that, uh, you can do something. Do more.

Discussion participant00:32:18

Well, let's see how they're going. Yeah, it's always like that... I've always had a contradiction with the view that once three years later, this company doesn't exist, why would it buy? Here. I understand there are corporate races that sometimes you need to buy. And someone will buy Perplexity to buy. I don't really understand why Apple can buy them. Apple, what's the point? Here.

Mentions: Perplexity · Apple
Alexander Mashrabov00:32:41

They pay Google more than ten million-- I think there's something ten billion, something Google pays them, and Google makes it. I mean, it's a major opportunity, right?

Mentions: Google
Discussion participant00:32:50

No, Google-- that's how Apple has his browser, they need to start a little

Mentions: Google · Apple
00:32:54–00:34:37Ai video generator trend
Discussion participant00:32:54

more, not a side-saving or a side-sears-saving search, don't they?

Alexander Mashrabov00:32:58

Well, they're gonna get it.

Discussion participant00:32:59

You, Sash, just said the thing about ByteDance getting a lot of video, video generators and so on, and they haven't turned up or pulled out for clients at all. What's the trend now? That the haran-- that's gonna show up, yeah, that's gonna be interesting?

Alexander Mashrabov00:33:16

Oh, well, I think there's nothing really interesting. Well, as it is to be said, it's just, well, it's just that half the content we're gonna meet is gonna be AI generated, but not us, but humanity as a whole. That's it.

Discussion participant00:33:27

You're talking about it like it's like, "Oh, well, like, you know, content looks, watches."

Alexander Mashrabov00:33:33

I mean, I'm curious, that's how it's ad, and, uh, industry's changing it. It's gonna be a big change, but it's not gonna happen in the next year, is it? I mean, Zuckerberg has a big risk that his platform is even in the world of real videos, no one needs, it's a loud story-- well, it's probably a video, though, I guess, it's probably, uh, it's probably in the video. The video must have been really lagging, right? I mean, TikTok. I mean, I think there's less reels engagement than, uh, a man's minutes in reels, I think ten times less than TikTok. I think it's fair to say that in terms of vertical videos, not even AI, he's already been completely overshadowed, yes, by TikTok. But it's clear that the pictures in Instagram and there are these square videos, friends' worthies, that's all relevant. I'm just saying, it's like this horizontal, vertical entertainment video that he's already down there, and it's probably not gonna get over it, right? The user's plan is generated content. And the question is, uh... But, but business still works, right?

00:34:37–00:36:20Whether the living people will be in a video of the future in the social. Networks?
Alexander Mashrabov00:34:37

I mean, it's lost this market, but, nevertheless, his business works great.

Discussion participant00:34:43

Sasha, will the entertainment content be human or will all the video be generoned?

Alexander Mashrabov00:34:48

No, half the people-- there's gonna be a lot of people, there's gonna be a lot of AI, and it's probably gonna be comparable co-cogors. Just the question is, who's gonna win this market and will he survive Meta? I mean, Meta--

Discussion participant00:34:59

And people-- no, I mean people, people are gonna be in the video? Content entertainment, he'll be generosized by a routine human survey and real people will be there, or is this all AI?

Alexander Mashrabov00:35:13

They'll be, of course. There are top influensors who will film themselves, which is authentic, but they will also develop, because they already have an understanding that they come in, they will reduce their teams. Internal, a, and will be created by AI to create new AI-influensers in their ecosystem. There'll be such new talents, that's for sure. Well, that's what's happening now. New talent, huh? I mean, influensers, they can coinate their likeness, but they can also create a creative agency to make PewDiePie a little more remember, right? But if PewDiePie would have created ten AI-influensers, he could have kept them up, even though he's become, well, unattended. I think that's how the market changes. That is, understanding the audience remains important. All these video models are still pickles generators. There is no developed reasoning capabilities there and, uh, the next one, yes, that is, we'll just see that there's a change in the market. And I wonder how Meta is, I mean, it's gonna be a little bit of a subtle.

00:36:20–00:37:07When is the TikToka ban in the US?
Alexander Mashrabov00:36:20

That's interesting, but, say, taste like bo- taste, current distribution, taste, understanding of the audience will be very much decided.

Discussion participant00:36:27

Is TikTok any time? Remember, we've been discussing these transfers on all the news on the TikTok banal in the US. They've put him on hold for the end of the Trumpa campaign or will he be transported indefinitely or is there any time frame? That's gonna be a big influence, right? TikTok is present here in the US or is not present.

Mentions: TikTok
Alexander Mashrabov00:36:48

I think I think it's there, well, he told Trump that there's a good offer there.

Discussion participant00:36:54

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Discussion participant00:37:07