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Transcript · 026 · Meta Is Betting on Glasses, OpenAI on Voice. Both Want to Remove the Screen Between People and AI — ToTheMoon

English machine translation of the Russian-language episode. Timecodes open the source video.

Episode overview
00:00:00–00:01:08Welcome to ToTheMoon.
Alexander Volchek00:00:00

Hello, everyone! We're on ToTheMoon. Technology sites and news from the Silicon Valley. We're going out once on Sunday. We're always four people.

Alexander Mashrabov00:00:10

For the first time in all the time, I think we see the development of AR glasses, uh, positive reaction--

Alexander Volchek00:00:17

It's very cool, and it's revolutionary anyway.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:00:21

You see, it's as flexible as possible to build this voice assistant and emotions as possible.

Alexander Mashrabov00:00:28

That Meta could, uh, get this vein effect.

Mentions: Meta
Discussion participant00:00:32

It's my dream.

Alexander Volchek00:00:34

Well, you can't do anything in a lot of companies, no matter how much money you raise. It's too expensive.

Discussion participant00:00:41

You can let that luxury in your life. Shourum, make it live with all the marbles, there, parks, and other things.

Alexander Volchek00:00:48

It's very interesting conclusions that give a focus and, uh, from the point of view of the usual user to look, uh, and where I even move in with some boxes, tools and, at the same time, to be in the leg of that. Technology, know where the market is going.

Mentions: Meta · OpenAI
00:01:08–00:04:37Can Meta make popular AR-Classes?
Alexander Volchek00:01:08

Hey, guys! Uh, I wonder if a week is being sent over, I think, events are happening and, um, especially in the part of you, we-- we took off the last issue, and now a bunch of pds from, uh-a, Mark Zuckerberg, and, uh, here, There are a lot of peddets, yes, and there are a lot of OpenAI peddates. Uh, yeah, voice interface. And they have a lot of changes on their team. So I suggest we start, uh, with Meta. And, um, it's very interesting to see, of course, how, uh, what strategy the company leaders have and how Mark Zuckerberg, uh, is changing from the presentation to the presentation. What do you think about their release? And I want to start with their technology, which they represent as unique as ever. She's really not yet refined, uh, but they say it's gonna be the most unique glasses in the world. The glasses, right, I understand Orion, Orion, they're pronounced, right? And, um, who's thinking about them? I don't want to start. I'll have my own...

Alexander Mashrabov00:02:20

Yeah, well, right there, someone who worked a little bit on glasses, a little, uh, but he was working on the glasses of a complete reality, that's, like, Snapchat, in principle, there, Spectascle is a team that, Probably takes, uh, 10 percent of the investment-- 10 percent of the Snapchat budget or 5 percent of the budget, but that's still us talking about hundreds of millions a year, right? The, uh, understand that the main problem is always how to combine the calculations on the glasses, how to combine the projection into, on the display and how to do it to be light. And as much as anyone did, no one has divided AR glasses until it's been in the broad masses. I mean, the best thing that exists in the Concyum segment is probably Ray-Ban. Well, you can-- that's Ray-Ban, who can have a camera, yeah, and that can have, uh, a speech recognition and potentially have, uh, a dynamics, right? While this is the best speech-- while this is the best service that can be on the Consymer market at all. And for the first time in all the time, I think, the development of AR glasses, we see, uh, positive reaction from- to, like, a presentation. I think Meta has been able, uh, to achieve this wow effect, in my view. I mean, I think that's a lot of progress, that there's some optimism about AR points. I've never met him before. Uh-oh, but it's just like the first step to get a adoption, right? I mean, first we have to do a deck, then we need to give the cryuters, there, I don't know, thousands of cryotors to re-operate, and then we need to scan it to sell to tens of million--- dozens of millions, uh, copies. But we-- but it seems that the first milestone, for people to be interested, people have discussed it, and, in general, the connotation has been positive, it seems we have achieved it. I'll be very careful, but I think we've reached it. What do you think?

Mentions: Augmented reality · Meta
00:04:37–00:06:51What's the Meta AR-Classes?
Ilnar Shafigullin00:04:38

I'm really excited they could make the device light. Ah, that's not some big design that's on the head. It's big, but it's already glasses. In general, I like the elegant decision that they have put the control on the bracelet and read the motion of muscles, ties and, accordingly, that's the basis for this. I see that as perfect as a world would want to be without it, I want to see the impulse as Apple showed when you click cameras, everybody's filming. But this is a so-called-fucking-off, yes, between the ease of the glasses themselves, so that the right is small, so that the device is light and, accordingly, user-friendly. And the fact that they've taken the computer module is that they can carry it without wires, there, be transferred to their pocket or something. It looks like a decision is quite elegant. Ah, the skirts they showed are interesting, too, right? Well, I see they probably don't look like glasses, but they're basically. Especially curious when they were just talking alive and speaking Spanish, one in English, and it was all a time rial.

Mentions: Apple
Discussion participant00:05:46

Alexander Mashrabov00:05:55

Discussion participant00:06:00

Discussion participant00:06:03

Haciendo bien la rodilla está, está haciendo bien y sentirse fuerte.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:06:09

I see the glasses themselves probably have nothing to do with. I was working, yeah, there's a projection, but there's some interesting skies that could be used. The only thing that you ever gave me when you gave me a shot of epic glasses, I'm like a man with not a good vision and a pretty strong asthmatic, I always look at it like that, "Well, someday, I guess I can try them with comfort, but not now." Here. But as a move towards the daides, it's very interesting because, generally, while we see the move towards the PO, towards some models, networks, and there's still a move towards the iron.

00:06:51–00:08:19Advanced technologies from China
Ilnar Shafigullin00:06:51

And it's quite interesting, thinking.

Alexander Volchek00:06:51

I don't understand. Well, if you take the glasses, first of all, they're not released, yes. There was some demonstration and, for example, real-time translation, it looks like the headphones that are in China, you wear from two sides, and they're actually transferring you super cool. Remember, Ilnar, the man in Bali told us, didn't he?

Mentions: China
Ilnar Shafigullin00:07:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Discussion participant00:07:12

Mr. Yamaguchi. The price you offered is too high. And I still have a question about your product.

Alexander Volchek00:07:23

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Ilnar Shafigullin00:07:24

And even showed the device, didn't he?

Alexander Volchek00:07:30

Yeah, in Donezia, yeah, two years ago, he showed us. And how he and his girlfriend Chinese-- meets Chinese, he knows English, she's Chinese, she doesn't know English, he doesn't know Chinese. They're perfectly good at talking, yes. They're a guy and a girl, yeah. And he said that the glasses were super, oh, those earpieces are super quality and they are not allowed to enter the American market and they won't let them into the American market because they destroy a huge number of future technologies. They're real-time translations really, uh, super cool. What he showed me seems to be a two-two-year-old. Well, that's what it looked like. Once again, while I'm on the move, I'm totally in agreement with some, some subject. What you, Ilnar, say is that they invest in it and move forward.

Mentions: Meta · Apple
00:08:19–00:10:10Do you see Meta's long-term strategy?
Alexander Volchek00:08:19

I don't know why the community was doing this well because, uh, I have a story very simple about the meth. I don't really understand the strategy in general, and I think they're looking for it now because they actually have very cool, well, cool access to a large number of people, social media and whatsApp. And they have, well, Ray-Ban's glasses, it's just their device. So if the same device releases Google or the same device releases Apple, the volume must be completely different from the point of view of sales, opportunities, details, infrastructure integration, to the point of view of the Integrating with infrastructure. These are the Androids, those with MacOS or there with iOS. I mean, strong integration, so don't know what the strategy is, because in terms of some supertechnologies, I think Apple can easily release these glasses, taking into account there. certain of their chips. And how much this is truly revolutionary change. What's in the projector, well, I guess if they come out, I'll just buy them, yeah, if there's a projector. I think they have a very nice subject. They were planning on doing a little different version. What Zuckerberg showed a year ago was like the usual Ray-Ban, where there were very little things that were peeing, yeah. When I said that if there were any glasses, you approach someone, you put a violin model in advance, and he helps you communicate with a man in a violin model. And I laughed, gave an example of how to meet a girl, yeah. There's a computer that will help you with the right phrases to frame whatever she says. Well, logically, there's something-- is there any way to find applicability, life applicability is--

Alexander Volchek00:10:00

Applicability, uh, life applicability. So, uh, at our house, Elnar and I, there were two months of bed glasses, and none of them Apple, right?

Mentions: Apple · Meta
00:10:10–00:11:41New MetaQuest: the best point of entry to VR?
Alexander Volchek00:10:10

And we didn't wear them. Why? Because we don't need them in the games, we don't play. But that's what App Meta released, uh, the new Meta Quest, and that's worth $300, and that's what I think it's a very serious decision on their part. That's a serious approach. And I think it's the approach to actually sell millions of devices, well, millions or dozens of millions of devices to sell, because $300 is-- or they're even a little less expensive, I'm not. I remember how much, but for an American citizen, they won't be worth anything, because you'll just be on their monthly payment to the cell company for free, like, there or a couple of dollars. And, um, this is-- this is an interesting subject, right? I mean, this is a break when they're ten times cheaper, like, e.g., e.g., e.g., uh, elevated sophth, which I think is already, and all the additives that Meta Quest has, it's very big. That's a very good strategy, I guess. And they have a vision. I mean, I think they have a vision again. Uh, I didn't-- I knew one person who did and was a project manager completely in the house screen meta-plane. Well, not that I've met a few times, huh? And they were telling me how they were doing this home screen. I think there's a strategy in the Zuckerbergs for a long time. Maybe not. Maybe they'll lose this market.

00:11:41–00:13:05The real skies of Meta Orion: we're moving to Black Zerkala?
Alexander Volchek00:11:41

But for the three hundred dollars, Meta Quest, who's out, it's a very interesting device.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:11:44

I'd say more about these Orion glasses we talked about, added, yes, or Orion, perhaps in Russian, it's easier to take. Uh, those points Zuckerberg said it was a girl, yes, that's like a final device, and that's a device that could be used to integrate with some kind of software. And as long as the developers are on the device, we're gonna get the skies, write the other stuff, and then it's gonna be the final result, right? As long as they've shown the technicality that you can do with it, but it's not as yet the final device. And the second thing that was interesting showed integration with Microsoft, Windows, yeah, when you can connect those glasses to any Windows 11 device and, consequently, duplicate its screen, create virtual workers' work. tables and stuff. Well, it's very similar to what was in Apple's presentation with Vision Pro, but, I see, it's a little different. But I wonder what's on this side, they're coming in this skirt, too. I certainly find it hard to imagine that these points will be used in this way for now. But there are questions for resolution, and indeed for the use of this kind.

Mentions: Apple
00:13:05–00:16:11The real skies of Meta Orion: we're moving to Black Zerkala?
Ilnar Shafigullin00:13:05

But how interesting is that they, uh, showed extensively, technically, how the current motto could be used.

Alexander Volchek00:13:05

Well, that's what's done, really ahead. We sorted the case, that if a man was going to such a big-ass glass in the car, there's no need to do any projection in the car, and there's nothing to do, right? So the glasses are auxiliary, and they'll work everywhere as a complete reality of some, there, in the same car, when I don't know, the projection works and shows me on the screen. I'm going through the lanes where I'm going or where I'm going to turn, right? I mean, this is a subject that can be a little more subtle. You can say fast, "I need something to pick me up or what's here or take some things away from me." I mean, it's probably a transition to the future when something's close. They, uh, they're still moving toward the to put something in their eye, right? The question is simply not real, yes, there are no small batteries and everything. It's a very good place here, Black mirror and, uh, what's on the grid of eyes, right? I mean, they're probably on the idea. And remember, the first Google glasses, yes, they were. I remember wearing them in Moscow in two thousand 13 years. I tried them. Here. And I'm married to that time from China, and, well, who lives in China, he gave it to me. I remember sitting in Flacon and wearing those glasses. It seemed like a thing like this, it seemed interesting, but the technology went away for a long time, yeah, from the point of view of some work points. As for Ray-Ban's glasses, know some people who use them. I even put it out. I have a friend of Valentine Vasileski. He was driving around with me once, asking me a question about business, I answered him, and he was shooting those glasses. He was just filming for himself to remember it. And it was a very funny view, taken from the car. It's a live life, yes, live mind. So they had some extra function, well, quite interesting. So, like this device used in a professional world, it's got, uh, some kind of impact. So what you're saying, creating extra boxes is obviously a living thing. People are gonna start making stories for them. I mean, it's obviously not the first decision, just like Apple. We'll see you ahead. Cool, what the company went and wondered, how they'd be integrated with new, uh, sre-- serious AI, right? Because while Meta has me using them AI in WhatsApp. Only when I'm on a plane and I'm available to a massager, I can use them as some extra system there to grind something. And I'm really cool with that, right? So you have access, like, to the Internet, only access to the massengers, and you're in, and you're so cliffy, right? You're from WhatsApp getting access to ChatGPT, yes, conditional-- well, they don't have ChatGPT, and you get access to Llame there. And that's fun. I mean, this story, integration is, but I don't use it anymore through WhatsApp, through Massenger Facebook, not using Facebook-- I'm sure people use a lot of people, right?

00:16:11–00:18:10Voice from OpenAI: quality of speech recognition, accent and experience
Alexander Volchek00:16:11

I mean, for many people, it's like some story, but I don't see it yet, uh, that's the next super move.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:16:13

Well, uh, they're getting a little more open source, right? Here they released Llama 3.2 multimodal and, accordingly, added a voice. Uh, about the voice, by the way, that I'm really interested, uh, and not if OpenAI was casting its voice just before Meta's presentation, right? It's clear there was a lot of time when it was supposed to be like OpenAI, but it was just there a few days before Meta was introduced, where they wanted to show their voice, which is obviously It's already getting access. OpenAI like, "Well, we're all going to have what we have to do to keep our open source from the company."

Mentions: OpenAI · Meta
Alexander Volchek00:16:52

Yeah, and that was. Sasha, what do you think about the voice? Mm-hmm, he's released OpenAI.

Mentions: OpenAI
Discussion participant00:16:57

Today, they were literally there three or four hours ago, declaring that they were available on API. Very, very, very, very interesting that they don't have the final product as the voice of the assistant, but they already give it to everyone. It's a dosage-- that's pretty amazing. Ah. P-- bye-bye. I mean, they do it, okay, because they believe that as a voice of agents of the pack... that it's a p--- creates a voice-of-agent market, and their model will be the main for that. I mean, it's probably the only reason. I mean, for those who do the voting, it seems that the moment of the X is now.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:17:50

Sasha, have you seen what parameters you need to pass? I mean...

Discussion participant00:17:53

Not yet. I'm still not in time.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:17:55

...intonations and other things. Mm-hmm. I'm just curious, he's gathering them from the context or there's a need to give them some extra parameters to modify how it is expressed. Well, I'll have to see. I wonder how it works.

00:18:10–00:21:13Voice from OpenAI: quality of speech recognition, accent and experience
Alexander Volchek00:18:10

But on the test, uh, I'm faith-- I feel like they've released something assy. I mean, it's probably related to pressure, maybe investors, maybe, well, that's what they promised, it's not gonna let out, they're still looking for it. I mean, they're... they're holding their ears. I mean, we were just talking about this last edition, they're gonna be right up! And they let me out, yes, the next day. I think that in the meantime, using it could not have been a thing like that because it, um, of course, works better and kind of in real time, but very many glues in terms of... They're probably gonna, they're gonna start working on it now, and they're gonna be testing it, right? But it looks like it. Again, again, maybe it's okay. What difference does it make if I didn't use the previous voice or someone didn't use the previous voice, they're at least protesting it on millions of users and seeing a lot of nuances and parts and they're gonna be able to. Hurry up and get faster, you know, like, in a living mechanism. It works, by the way, I even felt faster than what was shown in Llama, more and more fun. I'm just saying that I'm-- I haven't moved on to this voice-over yet. For me while ChatGPT is a microphone that recognizes the perfectly perfect speech and understands, uh, where the bet-- well, that is, that's, uh, very, very good-quality audio recognition in the text and beyond the text request, right? I mean, not voice-over, until this voice interface and voice-to-face communication, like in the movie "One" we mentioned last time, well, until, uh, until it's a little bit. But it's a great move.

Mentions: ChatGPT
Ilnar Shafigullin00:19:48

Mm-hmm. I like the way the show shows the achievements, yes, that's when it shows, well, you can try, uh, you can get him to talk to some accent, yeah, there, I don't know, there, with the Indian accent, with a strong Russian accent. or something.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:20:00

Accent or something. And he shows it, doesn't he? So you see that it's as flexible as possible to build this voice assistant and emotions can somehow pass, accents, different voices, speak at different speeds.

Alexander Volchek00:20:15

Yeah, that's really cool.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:20:16

That's pretty interesting.

Alexander Volchek00:20:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, uh, that's really cool, that's really cool. And that's revolutionary anyway. What I'm saying is that I don't use it, it doesn't show, uh, incredible movement inside, because they've already made it, and even speed, understanding, just this one of those things, just walk in there like, When you're interrupting, there, well, there's a number of nuances. At least once again in my skies, I'll probably start using it more now to get used to as a new system of interaction, because it's another system of interaction that's perfect, yes, than I do. I've never been a habit. See if it's gonna work differently.

Ilnar Shafigullin00:20:58

Well, it's more of a demo, because there's a time limit. So you can't have a dialogue in half an hour. There's a limit, I think, to 15 minutes, or a little more there is this kind of time. But how demo, how acquaintance looks very,

00:21:13–00:23:38Real examples of the use of voice technology in daily life
Ilnar Shafigullin00:21:13

very interesting.

Alexander Volchek00:21:14

Yeah. Tanya, have you tried?

Tatyana Tsvetkova00:21:18

No, I didn't try. I'm just listening to you right now. On the one hand, it's very interesting, on the other hand, I'm trying to get a look at this, even if I'm strategically thinking about the future, you know, where to build this function, even, you know, let's say, of course, I'm thinking about it again. A movie, let's say, yeah, some kind of thing, like, a virtual friend. But it seems very far, first of all. Second, is it really necessary if you have real friends? Here. But I'm trying to make some real use of it--

Alexander Volchek00:21:56

Look, a simple real example is when we're asking you now, you're standing in the kitchen and asking, "How am I gonna cut the jackfruit?" Or, "Is there any way I have this product in accordance with my diet?" Or, "In the kitchen?" I'm not sure how-- is there a traffic jam now, if I go out now, how long is the traffic going to be? So once you have the perfect voice recognition and a normal communication system, you can overtake, recount, do a lot of things. In fact, Apple did it in the pddata, too. I mean, Siri can be supplemented and done, but it's a limited, limited thing. You get a very strong support, and you don't have to write this. Once you're in a state of living, you have, when you drive in the car, when you're not just there with your phone, you get-- there's a lot of tasks you'd love to listen to, You're not going to be in a state of order. We just don't have this habit because we didn't have a voice assistant. I always said, "Amazon Echo, Alexa or there, "Yandex Alice" is a device that could turn music on, right? And the curtains are closing down 10 times, so they're doing very simple things. Very. And here, like you--

Mentions: Apple
Tatyana Tsvetkova00:23:09

Yeah, I get it. I'm asking you what he's gonna be, I think they're trying to get him to recognize my emotions, right? My mood was in the same way with some accent in there, like Russians, like, quite familiar or something. I mean, this part is kind of, uh, cool, but if it's worth the time, and it's worth

00:23:38–00:26:33Real examples of the use of voice technology in daily life
Tatyana Tsvetkova00:23:38

it.

Alexander Volchek00:23:38

I think the key thing to watch is the usual scenarios of life. That's like ChatGPT. In ChatGPT, you only feel good when you don't start looking for something new, and when you start to make it more su-- to use it every day. I'm always bringing my wife to the fore. She's using 50 different requests a day, I don't know. Not a technician, not a computer, because she found it, well, very fast, simple things that when you fill it up and you don't understand how to fill it, it's very fast for you. explains, right? I mean, simple things. I guess again, if you had glasses or something here, it would be a little more than that. I had a very interesting case last week, and I was falsified here by the one company in California and ChatGPT sent a questionnaire and filled up a ChatGPT with a ChatGPT and paid a fee. I'm going to be, the next day, "You've got a mistake in the document to make a fresh start, fill up and pay the money again." I thought, "Blin, the contagion, didn't over-check ChatGPT, "I believed him," so he was the second time, and he was wrong." Yeah, he was wrong, but the point, the point, yes, the point is not the mistake, is it? If I sent a lawyer, I'd pay ten times more for a falling, or if I paid an extra $500, would I? And here, and I did it fast, too, there, one, two, one, two, one, two, yeah, buttons. But in the simple case, Tan, I think the simple case is not in, not the kind of thing I said by the way of communication, there's someone to take a shot or something. These are very special case files that, well, very special. It's like a transfer with a man. I have my wife's dead father, he came to America, there, he traveled with us in 5-to-two thousand-fifths, 15th year, there, in the seventeenth year. And he, I remember, got caught on a taxi when he was driving over to us, and we say, "How did you get in touch with-- inside, with a taxi? How did you explain where we were? I have an app, I'm calling him, he's transferring him." But it's the only person I've seen who uses these things because I didn't use it myself, although I kind of wanted to use it in many countries, but somehow I did it without it. Again, if there's a cool system that's gonna be very good at working and telling me. I'll probably start using it if it doesn't make any trouble. This is where the issue of inconvenience is all the time. If we know, everyone in the car is called this-- in the car now practically every one of us has, uh, voice support, there's, like, fewer music, more music. But, uh, I think this system is eight hundred times, yes, that's, like, nine hundred times. I mean, he's having a hard time getting a little bit of a system that works really hard. Now, Siri, at Apple Music, it's very cool to know even at the speed when you're going with a noise, with everything there, from the back seat, the kids are yelling, it's in English very well, for example, she'll recognize. If you have a good system, you'll probably watch.

Mentions: ChatGPT · Apple
00:26:33–00:27:51Real examples of the use of voice technology in daily life - Part 3
Alexander Volchek00:26:33

Yes or no?

Ilnar Shafigullin00:26:33

This is the example you've given to the publicity, there, through Google Translate. Uh, I remember, this story in Indonesia, in particular in Bali, is very much needed. When you're in the tourist zone, everyone knows English, local means local. And when you walk a little off the tourist track, everyone speaks only Bahasa, yeah, there's Indonesian. Consequently, there was a frequent use of the facilities. You say Google Translate, then you turn on the sound, and then he's on Indonesian something, you're answering, and you're listening to the translation. And I always wondered how real he could hear what I wanted to say. And that didn't mess up when you moved. We're both smiling at each other. I think I understand, but maybe everyone has learned something.

Tatyana Tsvetkova00:27:16

Ildar!

Ilnar Shafigullin00:27:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alexander Volchek00:27:18

Look, you speak Russian with a man and you say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." He doesn't understand, does he? And that's why you need to recount.

Funny that I'm going to a transitional kindergarten kid now, four and a half years old, and he's got a teacher on it, and he's got a Russian translator on his own sometimes transferring what she wants from him. And he looks at her like that. No one ever did that to him. Here. But funny, she's like all the ways to use it to make him understand it, because

00:27:51–00:30:10Added reality in design and construction

of course he's got the first Russian language.

Tanya, I'd like to ask you something else. Look, we're talking about the glasses of the added reality and the other. And you're like a designer, uh, I was doing a home repair a few years ago, and I was wondering if I was still in the house with the black department, put these glasses on me and show me what they're gonna be. walls, what's the mixing, what kind of lamps are there.

Tatyana Tsvetkova00:28:19

It's my dream, because I was once in-- when in Russia, I was one very large developer company called to protest, but as large developers, they could afford that luxury. I don't know how it is. Of course it was years ago, but it turns out that visualizing one of those is, a virtual show-off is worth, well, practically how this show-offs make it live with all the marbles, there, parks and stuff. I'm not talking about anything. Then. Something must have changed now, but I'm just being impressed by the unconscious impression. I imagine that if there ever comes a moment that I can just put my clients on the glasses and put them in this concrete or there's a tree in California, walls, and they'll see it all. And if I don't get to it by now, there's gonna be some tactile feeling, it's actually a class!

Ilnar Shafigullin00:29:21

Well, according to the demonstration, at least that I was right there stealing my eyes, just showing that if you had a flat room and there, it was a probable, that a projection almost came from the picture and that's what it was like. There's a VR space that, you know, doesn't interact with, but at least walk, you can watch it. So it feels like this is some kind of immediate future, a year, two, and maybe it's not gonna be too expensive to do all this.

Alexander Volchek00:29:48

Well, I like that they're still in the middle of a ray-Ban. And when you have conventional glass glass glasses and lens, that's how you, Ildar, you're wearing or sun glasses now. I mean, I think this is a fun brand-new integration, too.

Discussion participant00:30:00

It's a fun brand, too, is it quite accessible, right? She's carrying, uh, something else, too. I mean, there's something else in it.

Mentions: Meta · OpenAI
00:30:10–00:30:44Thank you all for the comments!
Discussion participant00:30:10

They're not for nothing, either, they could have done their glasses like they're not laughing at, and that's it, right? That's what's, uh, very cool stuff. I want to, uh, raise the subject one more in this issue. I think she's very important to the audience. Thanks, by the way, to everyone about the comments. You write a lot of comments and support the channel. Don't forget, sign up for the canal and tell me your opinion. What do you think of Orion, about Orion glasses and Aria, and about Meta Quest, and the voice assistant? It's very, well, interesting things to sort out. How do you see, and what do you have any of these use cases?

00:30:44–00:32:50OpenAI will become a commercial organization?
Discussion participant00:30:44

We'll talk about it, too, uh, And plus, in the discussion, you'll start the and support this channel. So, um, lick, lick, call it. What's the subject? I think the market is important, too. And that's the indicator, uh, again... You know, there's a story like that when, uh, we often see some company and we look very short. Like, it's a nice or nice company, or it's fun or it's a brush or it says it doesn't fire employees, and it's firing off like that. Now we see the species changing in the market. Here's Mark Zuckerberg, he's even got a separate article about him, how he's changing, uh, his approaches. Uh, uh-- maybe we'll mention it separately in the next issue. Uh, kind of, uh, there's a subject that the OpenAI was, like, not a commercial one, and now she's kind of interested in becoming a commercial. And head of OpenAI Sam Altman, uh, has to get an option. And now, so before this release, everything happens at the same time until the OpenAI DevDay. Sasha, by the way, when is OpenAI DevDay? You know...

Alexander Volchek00:31:39

No, he's just passing through right now, they're declaring, uh-

Discussion participant00:31:42

Ow!

Mix00:31:42

About API.

Discussion participant00:31:44

Oh, that's what he's been through. That's what you said they announced. And, um, accordingly, now, uh, OpenAI is changing a team, and they have some new plans and approaches, respectively. When the team so sharply left the DevDay, and there was nothing critical like that. That would probably suggest that there would be some change in strategic direction. And, um, what is this, Sasha? You're like a man, uh, very close, there, to the AI market, that's the Silicon Valley, and actually, well, the real world AI market. What do you say? Is this gonna have any influence or something?

Alexander Mashrabov00:32:22

Yeah, I'm honestly saying they seem to be enough... I think that-- I think they're in, like, a very interesting stretch where they need to know what this company is. So she's more about consumers or the foundational model? For now, to be honest, that's not clear.

00:32:50–00:34:53Model or Consümer business training: Where's the Openai going?
Alexander Mashrabov00:32:50

So far, to be honest, that's not clear. I think that--

Discussion participant00:32:56

And explain a little more, Sasha, users-- oh, listeners, users. Listeners, let them know what you mean, it's about the model or the consumer. Because I don't think they all understood.

Alexander Mashrabov00:33:05

Yeah, okay, sure. I mean, uh, OpenAI spends billions of dollars a year, basically, on training, um, to practice models. The question is, what they do with the coolest capabilities. That means that it requires training in large, huge models. They focus on security or they focus on making it useful for daily users, right? And they're building such a consumer business. I think that's what I think, that's just that there's no answer to that question. So, c-- it creates a contradiction inside the company. I mean, I think they're just getting past phase-- I mean, I think they're just like now, uh, a-a-a-a-a-- how they're gonna go to a phase when you need to do some business, besides just ChatGPT website, right? So they're probably in the middle of a ChatGPT site and a major revenue. I think it's obvious that they need to capitalize on this success and how to build new products, new integration. And the example of Siri is only, but the very-- with Apple is the first example. And I think they should be doing something like that, you know, choosing a certain vector of business development. And I think that, uh, uh, now, it's not clear what kind of business development vector they're gonna choose. And that leads to a, uh, misunderstanding between people.

Mentions: OpenAI · ChatGPT · Apple
00:34:53–00:36:05Impact of the withdrawal of key staff
Discussion participant00:34:55

Well, how much do you see or hear from the market, how much is this super influence and important? Now, two people have gone away, I understand, very strong. But again, I'm not in the company, and it may seem very strong, and it often doesn't matter to the company. How real is that, in terms of the real, it is, uh, yeah-- now I'm not about business, I mean, uh, technology, real technology, innovation, the future, just about the future. Because the company did create something that wasn't in the world.

Alexander Mashrabov00:35:27

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, if they, uh-huh, it's like if they're building consumer business, then the leaving of leading scientists and the leaving of Emir Murati is neither hot nor cold. I think that in terms of how to create a hip and brand with Sam Althman in the wo-- well, it's a lot more value than the whole executive team. But if they want to do, uh, the best model in the world, they certainly need to have the best scientists in the world and not lose them.

00:36:05–00:39:05Concentration of talent in technology giants. Challenges
Alexander Mashrabov00:36:05

They've lost enough people.

But the market is enriched, right? Soozkever left, opened the company, raised billions. Aah, people were leaving in Anthropic, too, I'm sure they're moving this market. The world of Murati is not likely to be left either. It's not the limit of either opening up or going somewhere. And there are also specialists in their field that are being driven by the OpenAI. I mean, the total number of high-quality professionals who do this area is as if it were growing. And as consumers, it's probably good.

Mentions: Anthropic · OpenAI
Alexander Mashrabov00:36:43

Yeah, and, frankly, yes, and no. I'm not sure how much it is, but it seems that AI is moving in a-- well, these big models, they're moving. I think that a lot of specialists, relatively many professionals, we're talking about hundreds of people who can train models within one day of the center. I mean, thousands of H one hundred, I think it's five or six laboratories that can do it and are quite effective. And that allows for models, there, levels, uh, that's all these models, they're all about, all the same levels, that Gemini, that Claude and so on. And for further breakthrough, you need to build, uh-oh, more, like, a big date of the centers. And you need to learn, probably, different dates of the centers. It's kind of complicated. There's not enough people who can do it. It's never happened before, it's never happened before. And I'm guessing that a very high concentration of talent is needed to do that, which seems to be missing from anyone in the market. She seemed to have been at the OpenAI, but now there's no such concentration of talent. I mean, she may have stayed in Google, but Google has other organizational problems. So I'm a pessimistic pessimistic...

Discussion participant00:38:19

Well, I'm talking about it because if they left, there's more people out there, right?

Mix00:38:22

It's gone, there's a lot of reservers out there, yes.

Discussion participant00:38:26

Of course, there's a lot going on there. Twelve, huh? Here. I mean, it's like that, and the fact that they're leaving the market is really, Elenaar, well, whatever they're missing, they're gonna be in this subject. At the same time, considering which company you're in, where you can put yourself into practice. But still, in many companies, you can't do anything, no matter how much money you've raised. It's too expensive. And yet, OpenAI, uh, well, it's a serious, serious setup. So, technologically, you're not talking, I'm also a businessman, and I agree that this will have no absolute influence. I had a question for innovation. So, would there be no stopping because of this in the OpenAI innovation?

Mentions: OpenAI
00:39:05–00:41:50Like the market is going to clean up the AI-Hip. What's the start-up focusing on?
Discussion participant00:39:05

And why did they not agree? Well, that's, uh, uh...

Mix00:39:09

Yeah, I think it's just--

Discussion participant00:39:10

What's the dilemma?

Alexander Mashrabov00:39:11

...politician, just politically in all organizations, fought, like managers fought each other-- directors fought for each other's head count and for bringing some victory. Now, these budgets are still needed and added, well, added as much as the complexity of what we are, who, who is the client, how carefully we test the models. I think, uh, I think it's just that, uh, the difficulty of building ML product models has grown once. I'm not sure if there's a clear answer, that's who the customer is.

Alexander Mashrabov00:40:00

Who's the customer and why, it's not clear. Well, as the OpenAI Sora example, it seems to me that it has been discussed many times that, in the example of OpenAI Sora, it was simple, well, it doesn't know how it's approaching AGI and safety, yes. I mean, well, it's kind of fun, but why? I think a lot of people have a question, too.

Mentions: OpenAI
Alexander Volchek00:40:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alexander Mashrabov00:40:20

Oh, well, we're doing a voice like Her, yeah, that's how we do this voice and that kind of voice? So, what's-- how's that getting close to AGI? Oh, we did this Her voice, maybe to use all the conscripts, you know, to collect data, yeah, and how to learn to engage in dialogue. Well, maybe it's really good for scientists to develop the model.

Alexander Volchek00:40:44

Maybe, yes, it's still possible, yes, Sasha, to be implemented.

Alexander Mashrabov00:40:47

But then the question is, why did API release today? I mean, I think it's hard to track that logic. And what they do all in a row is, on the one hand, good. That's good on the one hand. On the other hand, there might be questions inside why we're doing more and less than anything we can. There, the voice of the assistant, the API, the search, the search.

Alexander Volchek00:41:11

Or search, yeah. Or search.

Mix00:41:12

Yeah, and the video.

Alexander Volchek00:41:13

Or search. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it's.

So, in this way, Anthropic is much easier, yes. So Anthropic doesn't change the video, and, and Anthropic's pictures don't work there either, it doesn't sound like a voice. So the reserver, many of the reservers go to Anthropic because the After all, the top reservers, they want to focus on very difficult episodes that no one works at all. But for that, you need to have a trick.

Mentions: Anthropic
00:41:50–00:44:58Like the market is going to clean up the AI-Hip. What's the start-up focusing on?
Alexander Volchek00:41:50

Well, it seems like a start-up like Sora or Search, probably-- oh, not a start-up, but a functioning one, it can be done, including some kind of start-ups where management is involved, like the same as the same old mansion. Sam Altman. And we see them in social media when they're put up-- if you watch the nets, the OpenAI social media, how they've been knocked down by Sora and all the funky things that really don't belong to AGI and better. Show me the side of the apps, not inside, like the decisions of the very cool boxes. I mean, I don't-- with O1, the model could have been very interesting in social media, and they're not going that way, and they're rather putting out some side-by-side start-up or solutions, maybe to make these. Starting to get up in, uh, rounds or something. Well, some business subject, really, really, really, really, really business. Well, it's clearly Sam Altman moving, yeah.

Mentions: OpenAI

And what Sasha said about the transition of the researchers to Anthropic reminded the phrase that the university research manager often said that while you're a student, you have to do everything you-- what you get from the university. A training programme. And when you get a scientist, you write a candidate or something, you can choose what you're interested in doing and doing it. You can't do anything else. And, in fact, the directors can just, to some extent, make a choice that we're interested in doing this, and that's not interesting, and go where they're interested.

Mentions: Anthropic
Mix00:43:15

I agree, yes.

Alexander Volchek00:43:17

Well, we'll see. It won't be next year, and we'll see a lot of new things. Here.

Mix00:43:28

We're only gonna write the summer.

Alexander Volchek00:43:30

Yes, yes, yes.

Mix00:43:31

What's going on?

Alexander Volchek00:43:33

There's been a lot of things going on over the past year. It's very interesting conclusions that give a focus on the common user, and where I even move from the point of view of some cabs, tools, and at the same time bends like this. Technology, know where the market is going. Because there are some things that can really be a trend, and that's-- that's just some kind of temporary hip that no one's gonna use. And that includes the money that was released because how many starttups have been swung, just some space number. Well, that's a great graduation. Thank you very much, everybody. Sasha, we're waiting for you to come back to the warm, hot Ring Valley. When you get back, she's not gonna be hot, she's very calm. And you and I can go out without a conditioner. Uh, yeah. Thank you all for watching. Sign, leave comments. Is that what you think of a situation that's more in the market, who's thinking about the situation in OpenAI? And maybe someone has some extra thoughts or someone else saw the details so everyone could know it. I'll see you in a week. Insides and news from the Silicon Valley and the technology market around the world. Bye, everyone!

Mentions: OpenAI