Knowing the truth in relationships. How to understand another person?

AVAlexander Volchek

Olya, what did you hear in the video about telling the truth? What was the most important thing you heard?

OSOlga Stolyarova

I heard two key ideas quite clearly. First, when someone wonders whether to tell the truth because it might destroy a relationship or its harmony, the first thing to understand is that it is impossible to know how the other person will react. As I understood it, it might bring you closer and strengthen the relationship, or do the opposite and destroy it. Second, examine whether that “truth” is actually true. A person wants to tell someone something they consider the truth, but they should look at whether it really is the truth, or just their own thoughts and so on.

AVAlexander Volchek

All right, those are conclusions you have drawn. By the way, you say “impossible.” I did not say that—that it is impossible to know what another person will think.

OSOlga Stolyarova

Mm-hmm.

AVAlexander Volchek

I did not use the word “impossible.” It was not there.

OSOlga Stolyarova

Yes, you say—

AVAlexander Volchek

And then you come back and ask, “So what should I do?” Look at what you are doing. People's original question is how to tell the truth. Someone tells themselves, “I know the truth,” then comes and asks, “What should I do? I still want to tell it.” What is striking is that, at the very beginning of that video, I explained in detail what to do. In detail. I explained that you need to look at and recognize your illusion about how another person perceives what is happening. I did not say it was impossible to know. Those are different things.

I said that your perception is an illusion. Can a person have clarity of perception? Yes, but that is a separate question. First, recognize that, in most cases, your perception is an illusion. A complete illusion. Then there is an illusion about what will happen. It is not simply not knowing what will happen; it is an internally formed illusion of what will happen. There is also the illusion that you personally understand the truth. Again, you come back and ask what to do. Look at those illusions. Do you want a further action? Everyone always wants an action. What action? Everyone wants a mental solution, a mental solution and resolution to the question. A number of questions came in this morning, all from people locked into a rigid boundary of perception. As soon as you point just beyond that boundary, they say, “Oh, thank you, my question has disappeared.” But they remain within the same rigid boundary. One person today asked a question, then wrote, “I have already understood the answer.”

They even wrote out why they had understood it. It almost looked as though they had written it with ChatGPT: how they had understood that they needed an answer. I am looking at this from the outside. They remained in exactly the same trap, without moving at all or stepping beyond that boundary of perception. That is why I tell you that you did not understand what was expressed in the video. You need to watch it again and again and again and again. You simply did not understand or hear it. That is absolutely normal and natural. What did you expect? Watch a twenty- or thirty-minute video and suddenly, “I have seen the light! Now I will know everything happening and how to act.” Imagine: you were told that your perception of another person is an illusion, and you heard that you cannot enter another person's perception. “Great! It turns out you cannot enter another person's perception. I am mistaken. So what should I do?”

OSOlga Stolyarova

Yes, that is how it happened.

AVAlexander Volchek

So what should you do? Someone says, “I feel anger toward another person, aggression toward them, disagreement with them.” Why do people want to convey their truth? Very often because they have entered a state of disagreement. What does conveying the truth mean? There is an inner disagreement with what is happening. Look at why that disagreement appeared at all. You do not try to convey the truth to everyone, go around telling everyone what is true, or shout it at everyone. Look at why this feeling or state appeared, what it rests on and how it works—in you personally, not in other people. People start comparing: “Why do you talk about things? What do you do, and where?” I recently read a comment: “I watched you; it is some kind of New Age,” or something like that. How can you perceive a person from a twenty- or thirty-minute video? Even if you are an initiate who can examine everything in detail and see everything, and absorb tens of thousands of hours of perception of that person, their life and understanding, in thirty minutes—

see more broadly into their spiritual system, spiritual beings, everything—you probably would not write that. You would not even have the concept of New Age. You would not write such a comment; you would understand differently. People live exclusively through the concepts and perceptions of the material world. Often not even the material world as such, but their current perception of reality and what they want and like. Today you like someone, tomorrow you do not. Today you marry, tomorrow you divorce. Today you want children, tomorrow you do not. Today you want to work, tomorrow you do not. Today you like your boss, tomorrow you do not. Today you like this bed, tomorrow you do not. Today you like this coffee, tomorrow you do not. The same thing: the same state and relationship to everything, your own state of perception. Not merely what is written somewhere, but how you personally perceive it. Again, not what is written. It would be one thing if people followed established, written rules. Even that is no longer possible; the soul is different now. Three or four thousand years ago, people could move that way. That is how they lived and developed: through what came from outside, what was written, what was said.

People now have a different system of development and different impulses. Among them are impulses desperately wanting to prove to everyone that their personality knows everything, is the most wonderful, the most incredible. Meanwhile, inside, they are endlessly doubtful and lost. Doubtful and lost. Again, how does a person perceive another person? How do you perceive someone? What do you look at when interacting, in terms of what is true and untrue? Why do labels like New Age appear? How long will there be this New Age? Forever? Forever. You can always call something New Age. What do you want—old age, middle age? I do not know what you want. What are you seeking? What specific information? What is New Age—the information being conveyed, or the spiritual being conveying it? The whole approach and meaning are so limited. Such limited consciousness. Completely limited consciousness, clamped within boundaries as though in a vise. This relates to people asking questions and wanting their own answers immediately, processing an endless stream of dead thoughts and various outside energies while merely continuing their current life.

They simply continue their current life and its flow, thinking they influence or change something, examine or develop something, thinking something is happening somewhere. Yet they rely exclusively on this life. Exclusively on this life. So, as to your question about what to do—

As to your question about what to do: look a little more broadly at what is happening. A little more broadly. What is truth at all? Look more broadly: is there a truth about whether people should marry or go to school? Is there a truth in that, or thousands and tens of thousands of variations, with each person having their own particular circumstances? That does not mean each has their own truth in terms of ego constructs. We recorded a video—it may or may not be out yet—in which Tanya spoke about free will: what people usually understand by free will through their ego constructs. If that is what we mean by everyone's “own truth,” those are ego constructs. When I say everyone has their own path, movement, causes and effects, I do not mean an individualized truth. They have their own causes and effects. Could we call it the truth of the spiritual system and world? That would be a little clearer. It is not the truth of a first and last name, not a truth based only on the person here in this life. It is simply not that truth. Each time you pay attention to this—just pay attention—it gives you an opportunity to move forward, including in understanding truth.

That is the only solution available here, because this video is concentrated in a particular energy to reveal a certain layer. You hear it as additional information. Just additional information, only additional information within everything—everything, everything taken together. You will endlessly ask what observation is, what truth is, how to distinguish truth from falsehood, what causes and effects are. Endlessly ask what karma is, what heredity and psychophysics are. You will keep asking these questions endlessly. Even about the physical body: what is the heart really, how does it actually function? How do the liver and kidneys work, what are they responsible for and what do they affect? How do they affect consciousness and decision-making? Even with the physical body, the questions are endless. Any complicated illness in someone nearby or elsewhere leaves people completely unable to understand what is happening. Completely. People have learned to perform certain diagnostics and tie it all into a story: “We became so clever, so people live longer and there are more people alive now. That shows how clever we are.”

They do not understand why more people appeared on Earth or why people began living longer. They do not fully understand the structure. More precisely, the question is whether they want to keep investigating, studying, and looking at it. Constantly. The same applies to your truth. After hearing an answer, you say, “I will take all this information and study it.” Do you want to keep examining the question itself? Is that the purpose? Or to apply it to a particular situation in which you do not know the truth? If you do not know what another person thinks, do not know what will actually happen in the flow of events, and do not know whether this combination is true in relation to you, understand that your brain and personality cannot accept that. They will keep searching for a solution. “All right, Alexander, what should I do?” Stop there. Write down, “I do not know.” Do nothing here. Nothing at all. In this particular situation, right now, if you want an immediate solution, do nothing for the moment. Simply register that fact.

You say, “How can I? I have to keep living and building relationships. I have to make decisions about this person: work or not work together, study or not, live together or not, be friends or not, have children or not, eat or not, and so on. I have to keep doing things.” Can you imagine how difficult these subjects are? Truly difficult, not difficult in the abstract. Truly difficult. A person does not see basic things, basic mistakes, and makes thousands of them every day. See them. Keep making them, no problem, but at least see them. See them. Here is an interesting example. There are various places where I study, including reading different literature, and there is a book being read. Rudolf Steiner explains the Gospels, in great detail: every phrase, every word, every part of a sentence. He explains what is really being said, what energy it is, what lay within it, how people perceived it then, a thousand years ago, and now. Who carried it over or failed to, conveyed it or failed to. Why was it conveyed that way? Why that way? Why is there a Gospel of Luke—

and a Gospel of John, and so on? There is a description. When you read it, the account is so broad in spiritual perception, energy, and esoteric understanding—so broad in terms of human perception—that you immediately want to read the ordinary Gospels, buy icons, read the Bible, and go to church. But the church and what Rudolf Steiner describes in his explanations of the Gospels are completely different things. Moreover, he writes in 1924, “The Catholic Church completely and finally lost itself in eight hundred and...ninety-seven.” In 897. People's souls were different then, he writes. What does a person hear? What connection do they make? Look at this extraordinary connection: they read material, receive a certain amount of energy, then take that energy to church. It is a false cause-and-effect construction, a false understanding of their own energies of perception. A false understanding of their own energies of perception. The search for truth is an endless question. Endless. One of the most important questions remains: why do you want to know the truth about another person? Why? What is the point for you—

the intention? You want to understand it. Why? Olya, why do you want to understand it?

OSOlga Stolyarova

To make some decisions.

AVAlexander Volchek

Which decisions?

OSOlga Stolyarova

About this person. Whether to keep interacting with them or not.

AVAlexander Volchek

So you want to understand the truth in order to do something for yourself. Here is the question: suppose you discover the truth and see that you are at minus ten thousand and the other person at plus one thousand—I am assigning some points.

What do you do? Will that truth suit you, or will you look for a different truth?

OSOlga Stolyarova

If it is the truth, it will suit me.

The very fact of knowing it is the truth would satisfy me. Will you argue with it?

AVAlexander Volchek

Whether it will satisfy you is a big question. It is a question—

OSOlga Stolyarova

I probably will not argue with it. I would like not to argue with it.

AVAlexander Volchek

It is a big question. That is the right way to direct yourself: why do I want to know, what do I want to know, why do I want to act, and what do I want to do? I have given this example many times. In 2012—almost fourteen years before this recording—I went to an event with an esoteric focus. At the time, the whole idea of energies did not exist for me. I did not know about it intellectually or think about it. Was I the same spiritual structure? Yes, the same spiritual structure. I simply did not know it. In what sense? From the perspective of my own personality. That is only a fragment. Look, this matters greatly: the physical body dies, but the spiritual system does not. We have discussed this many times. Whether you speak about components such as the soul or about different worlds, the physical body is not primary. Within what a person perceives through their physical body—my physical manifestation here and my structure of thought as a person—I did not know certain things at that time.

But that does not mean things were different elsewhere. If you do not know something, it does not mean things were different elsewhere. That is a very interesting fact.

You were a small child, a year old, for example, and now you are twenty—four. Four. Twenty-four, right? You are twenty-four now, and you were that little child. In terms of the spiritual being, are those different things? No. Probably not. Of course, there are changes, movements, structures, and details, but that is a separate subject. Many particular things can be done, but broadly it is the same. From the human perspective, you say, “Of course I am different! Look how much knowledge, experience, intelligence, development, and detail I have gained in twenty-four years.” That concerns your structure of thought. At one, you certainly did not have this system of thinking. A child's system of perception is developed differently. In 2015, I perceived things in my own way, certain aspects. When I first encountered the spiritual system and was shown that something else existed, the very first thing I wanted was to use it. Why? To improve my own life. In terms of the spiritual world and your spiritual being, the closer you come to perceiving everything around you, the happier the spiritual system is—

in theory. In theory, it should be happy: “Finally! Finally he or she has noticed something.” That is in terms of expanded perception. But the question is what that expansion is actually directed toward. Developing particular negative, dark, or karmic structures, as a natural part of human existence, but developing them nonetheless? The race again, the chasing again? Or movement toward a ray of light? Let us call it a road, a straight road toward truth. A road toward truth, as right a road toward truth as possible. Suppose that. Suppose. Or there are detours, turns, and all the rest. You turn aside, die, are born again, remain immersed somewhere, yet gradually move toward that road and ray of light, moving forward toward it. Gradually, little by little. Then something throws you back a couple of kilometers or thousands of kilometers. You are thrown back, then move again. Or you stall somewhere, become stuck, and the ray of light slowly—just like that—dissolves.

You have failed to connect with it, because everything moves and changes. There is, let us say, a realm where nothing moves, but it requires a different word. It cannot simply be named. A process occurs there that cannot be conveyed through the brain's physical perception. It is like trying to convey the simultaneous conscious perception of fifteen worlds. Now. Simultaneously. How can a person grasp that when they cannot even listen to two people—listen to their wife while watching television—or do three things, such as typing on a phone as well? What is there to say? To be truly aware of being in different spaces simultaneously. Truly. It is very hard to convey. So there is a line that moves, and the person fails to approach it and stalls. They do not enter the next phase of development or move further. This may frighten the personality—the physical personality. Yet the personality has no connection to it at all. None. The first and last name, or the currently incarnated person's material perception of themselves, has no connection with that stalled system.

What difference does it make to that personality whether the system has stalled? It is like all the reasoning about hell and heaven. Bingo! What a solution: show everyone two places, hell and heaven. Bingo! Two places. There is an entire spiritual world where people move, travel, and do enormous numbers of things; so much has been written and done. Yet there are two places: hell and heaven. What an ego construct: good and bad, hell and heaven, and redemption from hell and heaven. I am talking about the perception of it. A real lack of understanding of what those words mean, how they are actually experienced, what lies behind them, what meanings are hidden there, and in which specific texts they were conveyed. It is not real perception, but a materialistic one. A, B. One, two. A certain state for oneself, a choice between certain states. If a person moves along a line toward that infinite light, then what is truth in relation to knowing another person? When we interact with someone, does conveying some truth or falsehood to them—or a truth to ourselves—even matter?

What truth? Does it matter at all, or not at all? Probably not. Does it have any significance? Look at what matters: remembering that ray. At least in this video, that energy is conveyed quite strongly. It will certainly help people—not only initiates, but those able and willing to know the truth and expand their perception—to see that ray. It has been conveyed very clearly here, shown directly. It has been here for ten or fifteen minutes. A space is simply present, like a painted picture, a painted world, an exposed, open, real mandala and space and universe, all together. When you see and remember it, the situation seems to lose its importance. Just as it would if you died. After you die, will it matter how to build a relationship with that person? In that very second, it will cease to matter. Or suppose you develop a serious illness and are told you will die tomorrow. You say, “No, none of that matters anymore.” What happened in your life to make something important become unimportant?

That is what happened here. I do not in any way want to remove a person's real existence or real life. I am certainly not someone advocating retreating to a cave or a spiritual world that excludes the material one. Do not even read it that way. I describe and say that everything exists, matters, and has meaning. I even use the term “separation”: learn to be in a state of separation, understanding what is present where, simultaneously. I have an ordinary day ahead: breakfast, lunch, dinner, going out for coffee, conducting spiritual sessions, and holding work meetings. Going to the doctor for an ultrasound. Going to bed tonight. Simple, completely natural events. Completely natural, simple events. Phone calls, ordinary events, very ordinary. Running a cable through the garden, finishing the irrigation system. Perhaps taking the dog to the vet, doing something with the children, drawing or throwing a ball, asking a question, arguing or quarreling, sleeping or washing the floor—it does not matter. Simple events. They exist; nobody is removing them. Is there some supposed hierarchy of importance in which this ray is more important than those simple events?

Notice: right now, the ray is not more important than simple events. Did you notice?

Right now, the ray is not more important than simple events. When we discussed whether it is more important than figuring out another person and finding the truth in that situation, that situation becomes meaningless. It is clearly, plainly visible that the ray is more important. But when I describe the simplest everyday events, they contain exactly the same energy of life. Why? It is the same energy. The same energy. You remain in the same ray within those events. What an extraordinary energy. It is so good that you asked this question today and we are recording this video. Extraordinary energy. Can you imagine? There is an all-pervading line leading a person at lightning speed toward light, right movement, true spiritual and human development: developing the perception of the spiritual world, the soul and spirit, the system of bodies, spiritual hierarchies, worlds, universes—everything. There is a ray in which you fly. There are deviations nearby, fields where people move away; they are clearly visible. And there are these simple everyday—

events, and they are within that ray if you perceive them that way. Again, I named the simplest things. Even shouting at someone or getting angry, washing the floor, working, holding a meeting. Notice: it makes no difference which actions they are. The actions themselves have no significance. What matters is the meaning you give them, your state and feeling, your relationship to all of it, and how you distinguish it. As soon as I say, “There are important events, such as going on a retreat”—whoosh! Off to the side, immediately. Going on a retreat is not itself the problem, nor sitting in a cave, talking to someone, viewing worthwhile material, reading a lecture, working on your own lecture, meditating, or leading a meditation. The point is the source of what is happening, how you relate to it and how firmly it is grounded in truth. Is it normal to ask where the truth is when interacting with someone? Yes. Is it normal to consider how you will act, what decisions you will make, and what you will say?

Yes. Should you seek solutions in your interactions with other people? Of course. That is what human life is for: interacting and seeking solutions. Constantly. You need to seek them constantly. But this is a slightly different layer. Can it be understood mentally? Imagine sending this entire recording to ChatGPT and saying, “ChatGPT, analyze Volchek's statements in this video.” What would it produce? What would it produce? Some words. Garbage. Simply garbage. Why do I call it garbage in this instance? It would produce dead thoughts. That does not mean you should not use ChatGPT. I say that you should. I have a separate channel, To The Moon, with enormous numbers of videos discussing artificial intelligence. The question is what you want to study with it and which decisions you want to make with its help. Is it an auxiliary tool, or is it, “What is the answer? ChatGPT will tell me now. ChatGPT, tell me what to do based on this video”? In this case, if ChatGPT listens to the entire video from beginning to end and you carefully ask what the person asking “What should I do?” should actually do, it will very likely try to keep them within an explanation that approximates this line of energy.

It will probably find and highlight important phrases from what was said, but they will still be dead thoughts. There will be no energy. No energy. Can energy be put there? Yes. In theory, we could produce this video ourselves and process it in a particular way, and energy would be there. This reminds me of someone who sold an invisible sculpture. They sell them for ten, twenty, or thirty thousand dollars—these invisible sculptures—and call them spiritual sculptures. “Invisible in what sense?” Invisible, of course. They simply sell a sculpture and explain how to install it. “Mm-hmm.” How to relate to it and where to put it. That is all. You could make a Reel about this from my video; find the material. That is what this person does. On one hand, it sounds completely strange. Completely strange. An invisible sculpture for twenty thousand dollars? On the other, I brought this person up not so you would buy their sculptures, but to ask whether energy can be placed in an invisible space. Can you create, say, a sculpture in space here in the material world, on Earth? Can energy be materialized?

Of course. The example simply illustrates that energy can be put into text too. “Mm-hmm.” Of course it can. But ChatGPT will not do that. “Mm-hmm.” Just as you can put it into music—any music you create—a song, a painting, or even a jacket. Yes. It may sound funny, but many things can be done. The question is why, what exactly, and in what amounts. If people today began to see more—meaning perceive more of the spiritual world—do you know how many invisible sculptures would go on sale? Can you imagine? Far more. Imagine the parasitism. It would be a virus, a virus taking people over. Not because this was normal, but because people had been given a slightly broader new belief. It is easy to shift people from that position and show them further aspects of perception. This is what happens through different practices, rituals, trips, medicines, things people drink, and various caves associated with the spiritual world. It is what happens to people—

through meditations, movements, teachings, and reading different texts. Here is an extraordinary point. What is a meditative state? Expanded perception. I have a channel about meditation where I discuss it at length. Broadly, it is a person's expanded perception, not an exercise but a state within their life. A meditative state is a state of expanded perception. Imagine entering expanded perception more and more through particular kinds of spaces or states. Clearly, it is much easier to attune yourself, see, and perceive something in a calmer space than in a less calm one. If you begin perceiving a little more in the spiritual world, placing yourself in any suitable quiet space will bring you into a state of perception. Here is the catch—one nuance. You can go somewhere for meditation and be told that perception is being expanded there and you are being brought into meditation. You will enter expanded perception yourself, personally, but associate it with the external space rather than yourself. You will say, “It is that external space.”

Perhaps that external space had expanded perception because you were in it, rather than the other way around. I have seen many patterns like this, in detail, over perhaps the past eight years. Many. Again, it is essential to hold on to that central core and not let go, or you will be sucked into everything. You begin perceiving a little more and tell everyone, “I perceive the truth, not that other person. I can immediately see they are lying.” But another person's lying has many different layers. What exactly is lying? “Mm-hmm.” What in that spiritual system is lying, who specifically, and why are truth and falsehood layered? Under what circumstances is the person doing it? Something is untrue and the person knows it. Something is true and they think it is not. And so on. There is a whole spectrum of energies. Do they control it or not? Does it happen in your presence or not? It is incredible. Incredible how much there is. Expanded perception has consequences. Very serious consequences. Very serious consequences.

But people do not care. They want to enjoy expanded perception and use it. Want it, crave it. We will see how one aspect unfolds over the coming decade. One of the most important aspects of human development on Earth will be when people conveying something spiritual are no longer set apart from everyone else. “Mm-hmm.” If we continue dividing people into IT workers, physicists, mathematicians, historians, politicians, economists, singers, basketball players, baseball players—and then these priests or spiritual people—if we continue living with that division, including its manipulative aspects... Everyone needs to understand that enormous amounts of manipulation exist around access to information or resources.

To new information or particular resources, so that someone can say, “Only we may possess them.” As long as we stay within this, it is one way of moving through and perceiving everything. Look at it more broadly. Truly, more broadly. Modern people have very little recorded history. They like watching recorded video, so they say, “We are all clever now,” because they see people talking on video now. Then they say, “That person was clever a year ago, but now talks nonsense.” It is everywhere. Someone once considered brilliant is no longer clever; someone considered good is in prison; someone considered bad becomes a saint. So much information. Imagine having at least two hundred years of recorded video. What would happen? Two hundred actual years of video, photographs, everything. Not looking at a person painted on an icon and saying they were a saint who lived in the fourteenth century and helped people, but having video. Imagine what we would say and think about many other people. This is one of the tests facing the human mind.

On one hand, it will strongly draw the mind into very particular Ahrimanic systems and unhealthy computerized worlds—“computerized” is a metaphor. On the other, it offers an opportunity to see more clearly. Even how people perceive children will change. Nobody today has seventy years of their life recorded on video—not with the abundance of good video we have everywhere now. I will probably never belong to that group. Most likely, neither will you: twenty-four years ago, when you were born, people did not film this much; there were no mobile phones. But people born in, say, 2013 or 2015—my children, apart from my eldest daughter... She was born in 2010, though she could be included too. You can clearly see a piece of her life is missing. The others have it, but she does not. You see very little of her first two or three years. There is still a great deal compared with my childhood, but relatively little.

How will those children feel about their lives eighty or ninety years from now? What conclusions will they draw about their patterns of behavior, perception of other people, and actual actions? Truly. Truly. Even now there are elements of this. I once joked about the wristband I wear. My mother said, “You are angry now.” I told her, “I will open my wristband's app and show you I am as calm as a boa constrictor.” Just remembering it immediately changes the energy. An unpleasant energy. Imagine being able to determine it instantly. Black Mirror explores this—the series shows these things incredibly powerfully. All the illusions explode. All the illusions explode, and what is actually happening is revealed. At present, all of this is only at a certain stage of development. In twenty years everyone will say, “How stupid everyone was!” Scientists will write new essays about how foolish people were. “Now we have seen the light. Now we have arrived. We twenty-five- or thirty-year-olds, or whatever age, understand how the world works. We know. This is the truth.

What are all the rest of you talking about?” That is a very good ending for this subject. Where is truth, where is falsehood, where is what is truly so? And how can you come to know it in another person?